VLADIMIR GOLDSHTEYN·WEDNESDAY, MAY 6, 2020
This is the text of a variant of the 1st part of the conversation with Saint Germain (planet Disaru), when he came to us in his astral body.
A number of questions in this session I asked myself. Here are (before the full text) some of the questions and answers that impressed me the most.
What are your most significant incarnations on Earth?
The most significant incarnation on your planet, I consider the incarnation where I was entrusted with the upbringing of the one whom you call your God. I’m talking about Jesus Christ now. I was embodied in his stepfather, Joseph. And, naturally, this was not accidental. I went to this for many incarnations. And it was I who was responsible for his upbringing and his adaptation to earthly conditions as a father, because at that time, in the country where this happened, I completely took over the functions of his father, although his genetic father was from the planet Burhad.
Why does God “need” whole hordes of demons?
Two goals. The first is to show that he gave absolute freedom of choice to his children, since any compulsion in this matter would not arouse sincere love, and therefore would not cause such high vibrations as he did. Second, he allowed evil deeds, evil choices in his children to exist in order to set an example for his other kind children who remained in goodness. An example that such suffering occurs to them when they choose evil. That is, in many cases, without going through the experience of evil, it is impossible to evaluate the experience of good.
Can a soul be destroyed?
No, he can not. Spirit is an autonomous consciousness in the consciousness of God. This autonomous consciousness cannot be destroyed just as it is impossible to destroy God himself.
Session with Saint Germain, planet Disaru (constellation Hercules, 953 light years from the Sun).
Present in astral bodies:
Linkro-os and Saint-Germain are representatives of the Disaru civilization
MidGaskaus – planet Esler
Raom Tiyan – planet Burhad
The contactee is Irina Podzorova.
Maxim and Vladimir ask questions to Saint-Germain through Irina.
At what level of the spiritual world are you now? Can you describe the environment around you? What are you doing there all this time?
In the terminology you are accustomed to, I am at the 24th level of the spiritual world. I live on the planet Disaru in the city of Tussin. I was born there, when you were on Earth, was the 1537th year. And I spent a long time on your planet under the guise of an earthling, because physically we are indistinguishable. Our cities are similar to earthly ones – with the only difference that our transport is not based on an internal combustion engine. It is based on movements along the planet’s magnetic lines. Well …, you wanted to make such a decision on electromagnetic cushions, well … like trains. And we have developed a lot of individual ones … which you would probably call hang gliders, but they are controlled. They replace your small tools like bikes and mopeds.
Can I address You (plural) as “you” (single)? Isn’t that a problem?
No, we even refer to God as “you”(single). And even more so, to each other. As brothers.
Can you communicate directly with God?
Of course, as you are.
What are your most significant incarnations on earth?
The most significant incarnation on your planet, I consider the incarnation where I was entrusted with the upbringing of the one whom you call your God. I’m talking about Jesus Christ now. I was embodied in his stepfather, Joseph. And, naturally, this was not accidental. I went to this for many incarnations. And it was I who was responsible for his upbringing and his adaptation to earthly conditions as a father, because at that time, in the country where this happened, I completely took over the functions of his father, although his genetic father was from the planet Burhad.
What did Jesus do as a child? What kind of child was he?
In early childhood, when magicians came to us from the territory of modern Persia, they brought what you call “gifts to Jesus”, and then told us that the boy was being hunted by the local king. This was understandable, because he thought that Jesus, when he grew up, would overthrow him and his dynasty. I had to take Mary and the boy, flee with them to Egypt and live there for several years. And here the gold that the magicians brought with them was very useful. We didn’t have anything. I couldn’t make that much as a carpenter. At the time, they were paid very little. Then, when we returned to Nazareth, I began to teach the boy your earthly customs. I began to teach him what I know well myself. From early childhood, Jesus already had contact with his father on Burkhad, and from early childhood he visited Burkhadians, including physically. He was taken on contacts many times. He traveled all over the earth. You are right when they say that he was in India, and in Tibet, and on the territory of Russia, and he was, practically, on all continents. Only he did not visit with caravans, but on the ship of his father and his assistants. Thus, the boy was introduced to this planet, because before that he had been embodied in a tumesout, whose homeland was another world.
That is, Jesus Christ moved in a plate with the Burkhadians?
Yes, they “took him for contact not only on Earth.” They took him practically throughout the galaxy. In your earthly language, it was a physical contactee. But, as you can imagine, it was more than a contactee, since he was the firstborn son of our common father. He retained much more ability to memorize information about past incarnations from the spirit world.
Where did he study – Jesus? Did he receive any training? Maybe the Hindus or the Tibetans? Or somewhere else?
Maria and I were always surprised by one feature. When the mentors began to tell him this or that teaching, he even finished the phrase for them. And he ended the phrase so that they immediately began to question him. They immediately understood that they had a very high spirit and asked him for guidance. This was especially evident in the episode described by one of the closest disciples of Jesus, John.
When we were all in the temple, and he stayed there with very wise teachers and mentors of ancient Israel, who knew not only the laws of the Torah, but were also initiated into all the secrets of the Cabal, hidden from the common people – he calmly spoke about these sacred secrets, not opening books. That is why they all gathered around him. And when Mary and I, in anxiety, were looking for Jesus for the third day, we found him in one of the premises of the temple, surrounded by teachers who were three times his age. He told them about God, about his Light and, what was most striking of all, they listened to Jesus as a mentor, although he was only 12 years old. I remind you that all this took place in ancient Israel, where honoring elders with younger ones was a very common custom. And it really was an unthinkable case.
So, Jesus Christ began to preach at the age of 12?
Yes, that’s just a part. Even earlier, when he was still (you call it preschool), five or six years old, playing with children of his age, he already came up with games that were not exist on earth yet. And Jesus talked about other planets. This was quite understandable, because for him I was a father, and the second father was from another planet. Since childhood, he was absolutely normal about this, and therefore he told the children what he was telling. However, not all children received his stories favorably.
Did Jesus Christ have any other choice but to die as a martyr on the cross?
There is always a choice. But history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. What should have happened has happened. Your theologians say that this was predetermined and decided at the first Council of the Trinity even before the creation of the world. In the true light of God, they are right that the result of all the actions of incarnate and non-incarnate intelligent spirits in the world was known even before the creation of the world, and even before the birth of spirits.
Was Jesus’ coming here to Earth a moment of correcting what he created when he came here as Yahweh?
As someone who saw him from childhood until the very last day, I did not notice in him a shade of guilt for Yahweh’s actions when he was incarnated in Yahweh. And knowing all the subtleties of his actions in the incarnation of Yahweh, I do not find him responsible for the distortions that were introduced later. Moreover, he tirelessly denounced and criticized these distortions in those years of his life, when he preached in Israel in the guise of Jesus Christ. He criticized and denounced the teachings of the Torah, risking his life and well-being. Already with this he restored the path of the Torah. And when he was unjustly reproached for violating the law of Moses, he replied that he did not come to violate, but to fulfill it. Jesus did not break any of the more than 600 commandments of the Torah. When he asked the Pharisees, standing in front of them: “Who among you can convict me of sin and untruth?” None of them could answer him anything. And these were really experts in the law. Jesus fulfilled it in its entirety, because for him the law was not a prohibitive means, for violation of which there is punishment, as is usually the case with people. For him, the law was a saving means of communion with the grace of God by raising his vibrations. That is, in the same law, different beings can see completely different things and have different attitudes towards this. Therefore, for one, the fulfillment of the law will be either generally unbearable, or impracticable – while for another it will be joy and grace.
What was said about Yahweh then? Who was Yahweh believed to be?
They said that there is no Lord but him. They could not believe that Yahweh had come in Christ. Incarnate. And when Jesus told them about it, directly or in hints, they wanted to kill him and said “you make yourself God.” Several such episodes are reflected in the Gospel, but not all.
So, the Jews had no idea about reincarnation?
“They had a concept of a gilgul. Gilgul is metapsychosis in Hebrew, it is a wheel, rebirth. But they could not believe that he was Moshiach (“Messiah”). They expected Moshiach, who would not only free them from the power of the Roman invaders, but also reign over the whole world.
Does Jesus Christ Communicate with the Prophet Muhammad? What is Jesus Christ’s attitude towards him?
According to information from the spiritual world, the spirit that was incarnated in the Prophet Muhammad is now incarnated on a planet in a galaxy very far from our galaxy. But in the spiritual world, they communicated at the level of organizers of egregors (speaking in your earthly language, “heads of two enterprises”). That is, the one whom you know as Muhammad, when he is not in embodiment, supports the Islamic egregor – like, for example, Budda Shakyamuni support the Buddhist egregor, because they are creeds, the founders of religious movements and are in the spiritual world from the 22nd to 24th -th level. For example, Muhammad is on the 23rd, as far as I remember the latest information about him, if it has not changed yet. Naturally, he knows Christ personally, and they communicate at the level of organizers of egregors. They consult with each other on the creation and maintenance of their religious egregors, on protecting the egregors from dark destructive spirits connecting to them, which, under the guise of Islam or Christianity, carry their destructive teachings to the masses of people in order to feed their own energy.
Are there many such destructive spirits who are trying to convey false religious teachings based on Christianity and Islam?
More than we would like. That is, on a thin, spiritual level, the struggle is for the minds of people, for influence on their minds. A destructive, dressed in beautiful clothes, may look even more attractive than light, since for an earthly person, for the instinctive part of his mind, it is more natural to strive for expansion, which is facilitated by destructive spirits, but not at all towards the path of love. To follow the path of love, you need to include the spiritual part of the mind. And for this you need to overcome the resistance of the instinctive part.
And how can we, ordinary earthly people, distinguish whether they are destructive, or constructive, in the light?
Firstly, by the content of the information they give you. That is, if this is a spiritual contact, then it can be distinguished by the transmitted information. But if a person already distinguishes spirits by vibrations, then – by vibrations. Yes, dark destructive spirits can, of course, take on the appearance of light ones, the same angels and even Jesus Christ, any light ones. But from them the vibration will be completely different, low. They cannot fake vibration. To change it, they must rise to it. And they cannot rise until they pass this path of development.
When did you last incarnate on earth? Did you incarnate as an earthling?
Yes. The last time I incarnated as an earthling was when I was Joseph the Betrothed [at the time of Jesus].
Did you know or do you know Wolf Messing?
I knew and I know.
Where did he have such abilities? And why was he incarnated here?
He had many different abilities. What abilities are you inquiring about?
About all.
If you are talking about the ability to so-called foresight of the future, it was only for the reason that he lived several lives, to put it simply, in your future. That is, in rare cases, the spirit can be sent back along the timeline. –
How does it work and for all planets?
By the stars, you can determine the future, and it’s infinite. It turns out that the one who knows and reads the stars knows the future of all planets and people, if you look globally.
How before did the Moon, as a planet, influence people and the Earth, for which she was responsible according to astrological concepts? What was that – destroyed – planet responsible for? Are the inaccuracies in predictions related to the absence of the vanished planet? How astrology was rebuilt after one planet disappeared and the moon became a satellite. That is, it turns out that there is a future that is predetermined?
It is not predetermined for you now, but in the spirit world it is known because there is no time there. When you are in the spirit world, the past, the present, and the future exist for you at the same time. And in the material world there is the past in the form of information records of the present manifested world. And the future is only being formed, but it is being formed from the actions of spirits. You are talking about a time machine, thanks to which you can travel to the future and the past. The same can be done in the spiritual world, that is, to incarnate in your past, which the spirit of the same Nastradamus and the spirit of Wolf Messing did when they lived in their life … Wolf Messing, for example. When he lived in his body, then, according to the events in the world, his spirit experienced a state, as it were, of memories. You simply call it deja vu. That is, already passed. And he had scraps of memories that he once knew it, once read it. Therefore, he could talk about the future. For example, about the end of the war.
Did Wolf Messing or Nostradamus use any chemical preparations in order to enter this state?
I did not feel any psychoactive substances in them. I did not feel these vibrations in them. Only alcohol and even then not often.
Many predictors predict the future. However, the future predicted by them does not come true in the form in which they predicted. Why it happens?
Because if we mean a spirit that used to live in the future, but before that had an embodiment, if he was born here and remembered, your future for him is the past. He remembered, for example, several events, and voiced what he remembered, which once came true. That is, he predicted. He is to himself, that, as it were, he cannot explain this, he believes that God reveals it to him. And he already begins to predict the future on the basis of his logical thinking, without remembering. And, naturally, mistakes happen.
That means, a person, not on the basis of the information that is embedded in him, but on the basis of his logical conclusions, begins to think out the future?
Yes. Because he already believes in himself, in the fact that he sees the future.
Does this mean that the future is already predetermined, and we cannot change it?
What do you mean by the word predestination? This is a very subtle term. This suggests that the future cannot be changed. You can change the future only because you do not know about it, so you can only change it for yourself. But all the results of your choices, which you yourself do not know, will entail a chain of consequences and events. God is omniscient, he knows all the election results of all his children. Although the children themselves do not know about it. But knowledge does not mean predestination. I will now give you an example that you can understand. If you watch the same film 10 times that attracts you, then when you turn it on for the 11th time, you will already know all the actions of the characters, and where it will lead. But this does not mean that those who will watch it for the first time will know it. This does not mean that you have predetermined the actions of the actors. You just know because you saw it.
Could space contain many options for the future, and we all just go and choose one of the options?
In what space? What do you call space?
I call the time “here and now” and the point of reference here and now for choosing an option.
In this material world?
Yes.
You can also call this a space of options. You are not aware of the results of your choice if you want to do this or that thing. For example, you want to stay at home in the morning or go somewhere … You do not know what will happen if you stay at home, you do not know what will happen if you go, you do not know who you will meet there, for example, and what will follow from this. It is hidden from you. In the spirit world, this is all open. As for the options – if you have a choice ahead of you that can affect your fate, your events in one direction or another, then reaching this point of choice, you, as it were, have different options. The results of both options in the spirit world are known. God knows only one, the one on which you will really go, and not the one you choose. That is, you can have as many options as you like, but which will be real for you – this is already known. Your choice itself is not influenced by anyone, since we are all shown before incarnation the life options of our choice, right up to death. The main life options that we go through, which we must orient ourselves to in order to develop, naturally show. And they show what is happening to us, even in the spiritual world. They also show what will happen to us if we degrade.
That is, we can choose options for growth and development, and can live there for 100 years, or can we choose the option of degradation and live there for 50 years?
You can say so. We can choose an option for growth and development and we can choose an option for degradation. But the fact of the matter is that when we are in the spiritual world, it seems simple to us to come to incarnate and live life in the material world. We already, as it were, see our whole life on the screen and think – “I will act like this” or “like this.” Then one event follows another. It is similar to how a person sees a chessboard with placed pieces, where you need to solve a chess problem. But everything is not at all easy when you find yourself in a material body with a blocked memory. But it is blocked not just like that, but precisely so that a person goes this path on his own, without memories. It is then that he will gain the necessary experience in solving his problems, correcting his mistakes.
That is, a person’s memory is blocked in order for him to gain the correct experience and correct those mistakes that he could not fix earlier?
Yes, for that too. And of course – to adapt not only to the body in which he incarnated, but also to the world that surrounds him. He is born as a child, which means – for adaptation to parents, to older relatives in the family. Then – development where he studies, for example, to school, etc.
Is Lucifer really a negative figure, as the Bible claims?
What does negative mean? To deny … If by the word “negative” we mean the denial of God, in general, unequivocally, the negative figure as a source of evil does not exist. In general, there is no evil in the world. There is only a choice. To put it simply, Lucifer, who left God – voluntarily left – he still remained his son. And, naturally, the existence of Lucifer and his entire army of demons now is supported by the energy of God. The energy that he uses, including for evil purposes, is also given by God. That is, if God willed, he would instantly cease his existence or access to energy for him.
Why, then, does God need whole troops and hordes of demons?
Two goals. The first is to show that he gave absolute freedom of choice to his children, since any compulsion in this matter would not arouse sincere love, and therefore would not cause such high vibrations as he did. Second, he allowed evil deeds, evil choices in his children to exist in order to set an example for his other kind children who remained in goodness. An example that such suffering occurs to them when they choose evil. That is, in many cases, without going through the experience of evil, it is impossible to evaluate the experience of good.
Was there evil in our universe before the choice made by Lucifer?
Evil does not exist even now. There is only light. Evil is delusion. Do you want to know if delusion existed before Lucifer?
Yes.
“In our cycle of existence, which we are going through now, Lucifer was the first to choose evil, being at such a high level. But before him there were degradations of other spirits that were not at such high levels. This is our cycle.
What does “our cycle” mean?
The universe exists in cycles. That is, it then unfolds in space, first in the subtle-material world, and then in the dense-material world. Then it rolls back up.
I can only repeat the words of MidGaskaus that the Bible says: “… the sky will roll up like a scroll.” This is a very accurate image that was conveyed to the contactee – the prophet Isaiah …
The word “sky” meant not just the earthly sky, but the whole Universe, since there were stars. It was the symbol of the entire universe. That is, I mean the densely material world. Not the whole universe, which includes both the subtle-material world and the spiritual worlds. Namely, the densely material world will roll up like a scroll. What is collapse? This means that it will cease to exist in a dense material form. We will incarnate again in the subtle-material worlds. And then the subtle-material world will also curl up into light and there will be, as it were, the return of God to himself, to his original form. And we will be in the spiritual world, in a form closed to itself, in the form of light.
How long can the period of the folding and unfolding of the Universe last, can it be expressed somehow in units?
This is approximately equal to 125 billion Earth years.
That is, our scientists are right about the big bang theory, and that when the Universe began to unfold?
Before that, there was a period when we were all in the light. And before that there was a period when we lived in a different cycle.
125 billion – is this a manifested cycle and the same amount then an unmanifested cycle?
This is approximately how long the manifested cycle lasts, but the periods are not absolutely equal. Maybe more, maybe less. It depends on the amount of light in the incarnating spirits, since all this affects, in fact, the periods in general in all Universes, in all Galaxies, in all subtle-material worlds. And an unmanifested cycle cannot be measured by time periods, because there is no time there anymore, and it can last, both a moment in time, and many billions of years.
Can confession and repentance without physical actions cancel karma?
Not confession and not repentance, but what precedes them. Change – yes. What Christ called a change of mind. It can nullify karma if it happened. It can happen in an instant, which is called “sattori” in the east. But it can stretch over life, if this is related to any choice that is very dear to the soul of a person. Could this nullify karma? Of course it can. Because the need for karma disappears for the one who has realized the reason for its formation. The purpose of the existence of karma is not punishment or revenge, but a lesson to those spirits who have made a choice towards degradation. And if the spirit without a lesson has already understood why he made this choice and embarked on the path of progress, then the need for this karma disappears. He has already learned this lesson.
Can a soul be destroyed?
Does destruction mean the cessation of the consciousness of existence?
Yes.
No, he can not. Spirit is an autonomous consciousness in the consciousness of God. This autonomous consciousness cannot be destroyed just as it is impossible to destroy God himself.
And if the soul is very much degraded and cannot rise for a very long time, does it have a chance to rise in the future?
Incarnating, yes, if it does. Because change requires embodiment.
What is the meaning of the expression “The tree of knowledge of good and evil” on the subtle plane? What could Adam and Eve have learned by eating the fruit – on the subtle plane?
On the subtle plane, they could know what they already knew what good and evil are. The Selbetovite told them “you will know good and evil” literally “good and cunning”. But they already knew what good and evil were, because if they did not know this, then God, that is, the tumyosots in the person of Yahweh, would not make sense to tell them “do not eat the fruit,” since it is pointless to forbid something to a person. He can only forbid evil. The spiritual meaning of eating the fruit of “good and evil” is that their evil act was not that they just ate it, but evil was that before that they had ceased to trust their creators, that is, Gods. These were the Gods for them, and it was truly a collapse in their minds. That is, first they sinned within themselves, in their hearts. And eating the fruit has become a consequence in the material world.
Is it true that, according to Kabbalah, when this happened, good and evil in the world mixed, and before that they were separated?
As I already said, evil, as a separate substance, separate from good, does not exist. There is no evil energy. There is good energy for making evil choices. Therefore, one should not confuse what does not exist with what really exists.
Is physical sex for pleasure and not for conception a sin?
No, physical sex is a reflection on the physical level of the love of two souls.
Is it possible through sex to come to God – as Tantra says about it?
You can, if you see divine actions in this, that is, the fusion of matter and spirit.
Our planet is intensively changing the climate, possibly with the help of unearthly forces. Where it leads?
Do you call the radiation of the Sun “extraterrestrial force”?
No, the action of extraterrestrial civilizations that do not live on Earth.
I don’t know why extraterrestrial civilizations need to change the climate. This question is best asked to those who ask it. Why should alien civilizations change the climate? We can’t live here. I mean – this is not our native planet. And what is happening to your planet now – not only climate change, but also cataclysms, volcanic eruptions, floods, hurricanes, etc. – is largely due to the too intensive production of liquid hydrocarbons and gases from the cavities of the Earth’s crust. By doing this you are changing its internal structure. From this, it begins to oscillate on its axis. From this it receives the uneven heat of the Sun. This disturbs the structure of the earth’s crust. And magma, which lies closer to the mantle, which is a heated substance, rises higher and also heats the planet. And this activates volcanoes, etc. And plus the greenhouse effect that you accumulate, because you burn a lot of fuel, from which carbon dioxide is formed. Instead of planting trees, planting a lot of trees – so that they convert carbon dioxide into oxygen – you cut them down! But this is your choice, the choice of your civilization. I can only say that you are not using rationally, for example, the same trees. You cut down trees in order to print newspapers, which after reading, throw away. Or you can not throw them away, and use this paper repeatedly and repeatedly. And plant trees at the same time. Then the greenhouse effect will decrease. This is called the recreational use of the same raw material and is very common on many planets. And I wonder why you don’t have widespread adoption of this. This both saves the resources of your planet and improves the ecological situation, which affects, among other things, the climate.
There is a version and assumption that extraterrestrial civilizations use our energies, connect to us, and some civilizations are trying to destroy us. Is it to take over the planet and use our resources?
What resources?
Hydrocarbon, water.
There is water on our planet, we do not use hydrocarbons. We do not even have such engines on almost all planets. It is not economical, it disturbs the ecological balance and is very expensive in terms of energy, that is, it takes a lot of fuel to get little effect.
To be continued.
The organizers of the Cassiopeia Group would like to thank Eleonora (Germany) and Zebuniso Heikkinen (Finland) for their help in transcribing and editing the text.
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