Skype conference with contactee Irina Podzorova and engineer from Finland. Part 2
Participants:
Irina Podzorova — contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations;
MidgasKaus – biologist, psychologist, and alien life forms specialist of the Interstellar Union;
Zebuniso Heikkinen – industrial thermal power engineer from Finland.
0:25 Introduction of participants.
Z: I am Zebuniso Heikkinen from Finland, an industrial thermal power engineer, and today I am very happy to be at the conference for the second time.
I: Hello dear subscribers of “Cassiopeia” YouTube channel and Vkontakte group. My name is Irina Podzorova, I am a contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations, and today my Mentor MidgasKaus from planet Eslair – a biologist, psychologist and specialist in alien life forms – answers Zebuniso’s questions. He also welcomes you.
1:05 Does social evolution affect human intelligence or does intelligence affect social evolution?
I: Does social evolution affect or Vice versa? You mean, does being determine consciousness?
Z: Yes.
I: He says, rather the opposite, consciousness determines being in this case.
Z: Thank you.
I: In fact, it is true, the environment shapes a person, and it shapes an individual. The same environment affects individuals in different ways, depending on their reaction to the environment and their personal inner, mental attitudes, the spiritual level they are at, and especially on the level of awareness, discovery, and love that they show in response to this environment.
2:10 How does the Interstellar Union manage the elimination, cleaning, and disposal of human and industrial waste?
I: In the Interstellar Union, we try to recycle those maximum times as we can, we use unnecessary production waste as secondary raw materials to recycling them a second time, third time, this is an endless cycle of production.
First of all, it saves the resources of the planets we are on, and reduces negative anthropogenic impact by ten times, by the anthropogenic impact of humanoids I mean – the anthropogenic impact on environment i.e. nature. This can also be included in your production process; you already have such alternatives, such as factories, such production devices. But in order to come to grips with it, you need to shift your production, to put it on a different track. Some countries already use recycling, but still in smaller volumes than we would like, but this is a very promising way of development.
For example, you earthlings have already begun recycling not only non-ferrous metals but ferrous metals as well, iron, iron alloys, cast iron, and so on. In other words, whatever metal had no value before, now it is also accepted for recycling, and those iron parts that were previously thrown out and were lying underground, people started to get them out and exchange them for money, so this is a promising direction. Previously, only non-ferrous metals were accepted for processing; now they accept various iron alloys.
Second, it would be good for you to use paper recycling more widely: Newspapers, books, documents that you no longer need. Paper, cardboard, which are thrown out by the thousands, all can be recycled. There are already productions established to make recycled cardboard or blank paper which you can use for printing and produce again. This will reduce the deforestation of trees. And as far as plastic, it can also be used more widely by recycling through chemical and thermal distillation, converting it into gases, and making new plastic products.
Z: I want to brag a little and say Finland can be proud of it, because processes like that were put on stream here, and in particular insulation in my house is using environmental cotton wool which made from used paper.
I: Here, a good use for insulation is also, which means they will not spend other materials that can be spent on something else.
Z: Besides, it’s eco-friendly, it’s not glass wool.
I: Any environmental friendliness, any sanity, it is always rational, and vice versa, any rationality is ecological.
7:04 What can you say about the difference in environmental components of yours and our spacecrafts?
I: What ships are you referring to now?
Z: Spaceships.
I: Otherwise will list submarines now.
Three types of engines are used in the vast majority of cases: an atmospheric engine, a planetary engine, and a magnetic field gravitational engine. There is already [information] about their use, what is needed and what is the result. Fuel, well, relatively speaking, not fuel, but materials for the reaction are only needed for gravitational engines, the other two work on the gravitational and magnetic fields that already exist in nature.
You have fuel with a composition that uses various chemical mixtures (previously there were hydrogen and oxygen), kerosene, and so on, but now chemical reagents are used together with oxygen, and there are nuclear engines (partially nuclear). They are still more harmful to the environment and I would not recommend them to you because they are ineffective, because the higher the speed the more fuel you need to spend to disperse this mass. The fuel itself also has mass, and all this is inefficient, very expensive, and inaccessible, we need affordable high speeds, and even more so in interplanetary travel. If you [want to] effectively explore space, then you need to pay attention to the study of magnetic fields.
You have already started using experiments with solar panels, which have a certain principle of operation with those same photon engines. At least a partial use of solar energy itself, the particles and types of energy that are called photons, so they could be partially converted into motion in these panels. He shows me in the form of a sail, but it is not just pushed by the solar wind, it also transforms energy into movement.
9:55. An intelligent being on Earth is called a human being. And what do they call intelligent representatives of the interstellar Union civilizations?
I: If they are thick-density beings and not thin-density beings, they are simply called humanoids. People are also included there. People mean representatives of an anthropomorphic race, anthropomorphic humanoid, someone who is similar to human, but this is already in your language. There are many anthropomorphic races, there are reptilian, insectoid, and some other types of races, and here I am shown some birds like or something as ornitho-like creatures. Yes, and they are all humanoid races. I know you have a common opinion that humanoids are only anthropomorphic, that reptilians are not quite, and so on, but we call humanoids any thick-density form of intelligent life, it’s when an intelligent Spirit has incarnated in a physical body, no matter what shape or size it was.
11:25 Can humanity become your partner in scientific, technological and environmental programs?
I: For example, partnership to share the technology of manufacturing certain our technological ships, our medicine, some research robots, can happen only after joining the Interstellar Union, for the sake of yours and our safety and safety of the worlds that exist in the galaxy, and this is the first goal. And the second – according to the Treaty between civilizations, the Interstellar Union should not interfere in the development of young worlds, so they could go through their own way of development. We can intervene, but only in a limited way: to give ideas, direct the search for a person or any incarnated Spirit on Earth in one direction or another, but people should be engaged in the development of this idea themselves.
At this stage of development, when you have not yet joined the Interstellar Union, I am, as a scientist, and my colleagues who also come to Irina (her Mentors from other planets), all the scientists were specially trained and studied for contact with earthlings. And we are ready to share what we know in a way that will make it clear to you, but you only need to ask specific questions, then we can explain how to make it happen.
Z: So it is possible to some extent?
I: Yes.
13:20 Do you need our help? If so, how can we help You?
I: What an interesting question. I would not use the word “need” here, as we are a self-sufficient [civilization], in any case, the bases that we have on Earth, all the ships that we have, we provide them with resources ourselves. Here, most likely, we are not talking about our need, which we cannot do without (necessity), here we are talking about our desire for you to help us in our mission to purify the earth’s noosphere from all low-vibrations. Because this will be a condition for your rapid moral and spiritual development, including scientific and technological development.
According to universal cosmic or divine law, the Divine higher mind discovers things like the laws of nature, which can affect it in order to transform it fully, only when it is safe for those civilizations. But sometimes there are exceptions, like when he opens these things to people with low morale and spiritual level so they can build something, but he does it in order to show everyone else what it can lead to. For example, this happened with the creation of the atomic bomb. Anyway these discoveries were made, they are now being used for good by you, but God has shown them how they can be used by those people who are not ready.
The same thing happened with Selbet, they used certain laws of nature to start a war with Burkhad, with Earth, to change the orbits of the planets, and your Earth became what it is now and to destroy the planet you call Phaethon. The same laws of nature and the laws of God that he developed were applied, but they were applied for destruction, and all this was allowed by God so that we, intelligent Spirits, clearly understand the priority of our development should be the spiritual side, the material side should be the means for this spiritual development.
16:48 When was it written and who gave information to write the ancient Indian manuscript about Vimanika-Shastra?
I: According to our scientists, it was written in the first centuries of the new era. That is, written on paper (about the 5th century), in the form of a manuscript, but before that, he says, it was transmitted from teacher to student, and it was transmitted for quite a long time. There was knowledge about ancient ships, not only about ancient ships, about the structure of ships in general, that existed earlier in the period of contact with extraterrestrials, when the planet Shimor was in contact, now I will say, about 5000-7000 years ago. There were also records about it (partially lost), as a result, it was possible to record it in the form that you see now – it is about the 5th century. There were records of ships and how they fought with each other, collided, flew just to visit each other. All this is presented in the form of a scientific treatise, in the mythological form that the gods on chariots had a certain device. This is only a rough description of this process, as it was understood by contactees who initially recorded it, and as it was remembered by their students, who recorded it afterward. This needs to be analyzed in detail; I know there is an approximate description – just to give humanity an understanding of what was happening.
19:15 Is the information about the decoding of the human matrix according to the Julian Po numerology system valid?
In the Spiritual world, each number is a certain vibration, that is, it is not that each number is a certain vibration, but each vibration can be symbolized by a certain number, that is, a certain state of the Spiritual world of a person and the environment around him can be encoded by symbols. For example, imagine the sky, just a boundless sky – it’s just a certain object, but it can be encoded with letters, and you write “sky” it’s not that it’s like a real sky, but these letters just symbolize it.
Similarly, if you imagine a feeling of love. Love is a spiritual concept of feeling, and you can encode it in different ways, you can encode it simply in letters, in Russian, in several letters, that is, write the word “love” on paper with dashes, and under these dashes, there will not be the feeling itself. Everyone who reads it will understand what it is about. For example, you can also encode this feeling with a heart symbol by drawing it. Why this particular symbol – I have already told you about it, this is the science of imagery, which is studied by every child in our school, what kind of image and what can stand behind it. The feeling of love and harmony of the world, acceptance of everything can be encrypted with a certain number; in this case, the number 6 is responsible for this.
Or you can link a symbol, for example, in astrology and say that a certain planet is responsible for this feeling, but again the real planet is just a symbol, it does not relate to the real planet, but it does relate to the symbol. More specifically, the planet Venus is responsible for the feeling of love for various historical and mythological and other reasons, even for the reasons that Venus was the goddess of love, the same Aphrodite in Greece. Why is this tied to the planet Venus? For several reasons, one of which is visible-the morning and evening star was the symbol of this goddess. And why it was a symbol of this particular goddess – the reasons are deeper, including those related to the very civilization that was before the war 12,000 years ago on this planet. A civilization that looked like Earthlings lived there, which is now moved to Disaroo, and great attention was paid to this side of life, love and so on, therefore the myths came, retold to each other, that this is the goddess of love. I just told you about one number, and there are only nine of them, and each has its own vibration, and each has its own meaning of reflection in the Spiritual world. Maybe we can make a separate mini-conference on this question.
22:55 What is the opinion of alien biologists on earthly practices of skin rejuvenation and are there any supportive methods of skin and body rejuvenation on your planets?
I: We do not have any specific rejuvenation practices or recipes for two main reasons. First, since we live on another planet, we have different food, different energy, and, most importantly, another internal content of our emotional life. For us, these processes themselves are not something that happens more slowly, our people remain young for longer and generally live longer due to our biological characteristics and due to education that they receive in every family and school. That is, really, as I said, life expectancy depends on the attitude towards them. That is, even if you have a certain period of incarnation that you have already lived through and you need to return to the Spiritual world, if you show your Mentors in the Spiritual world that you are developing spiritually very rapidly, then this period can be moved.
The duration of youth always depends on the duration of life, but often, as for external attractiveness, we do not focus on this, because we know the role of biological attractiveness of the body at a young age. Now, he says, at a young age, God made a man and a woman look beautiful for the opposite sex, so they could create a pair and reproduce the body for another spirit to incarnate. Then when they have already raised this child and lead to an independent life, this task already disappears, and it goes to the second plan, to the third or fourth. And their main task becomes spiritual development and preparation for the transition to the Spiritual world. That is why God made it difficult for you on Earth to do this for various reasons: social, psychological, energy, and so on. Therefore, God made it so that on your planet there was an earlier loss of attractiveness for the opposite sex so that these feelings, relationships, and your excessive passion for some romantic things did not distract you from your spiritual development at a more mature age.
26:25 Why is the human brain only 5% used so far? Is this our fault, a mistake, or an idea of our creators?
I: At 5% – this is the average figure, not the entire brain is used, but the part that is responsible for consciousness. What is Consciousness? This is the energy of the Spirit, directed to the perception of the surrounding world and to awareness of oneself in it. There is also consciousness and self-consciousness in the structure of a Spirit. And then there are all the other parts of the energy and functions of the Spirit, they are manifested either in the Spiritual world or through parts that are not used by the consciousness, that’s 95% that you said. But for the physical body, 100% of the brain is used because there are those areas that are responsible for the hormonal adjustment of an organism, there are those that are used to configure the motion sensitivity of various bodies which are responsible for immunity, for temperature, breathing, swallowing, and certain reflexes of the body. And if you look at the physical body of a person in the aggregate, as if you look at a person as a whole, as a combination of spirit and body, it can be used 100%. Different zones are responsible for different functions in the body and connection functions between a Spirit and a body.
28:24 Why is human life so short compared to the life span of our creators?
I: The first reason is that your genetic apparatus has already been programmed for a certain length of life, I would not say it was decided by your Creators, because creators of your bodies were also guided by the higher laws of life that exist in the Spiritual world. They would not be able to make changes in the genetic apparatus that their Mentors from the Spiritual world would not allow them to make. It just wouldn’t work. Therefore, there was a certain goal, the first goal was that it was spirituality, spiritual Angels, I can’t find a term, these are such Angels, only they are not responsible for certain planets, but for a sector of the Galaxy. They are located in the Spiritual world and control the Spiritual development of the entire sector of the Galaxy.
As I have already said, each planet has its own plasmoid patron, which is in the thin-material world, there is a Spiritual patron – an Angel from non-incarnate Spirits of the Spiritual world, and for example, in the world of non – incarnate Spirits, the patron of your planet Earth is Archangel Michael.
If we take Christ, for example, then he is the patron not of just a Galaxy, but of a group of several Galaxies. He is incarnated now and united with his body forever; this is by his own will, as I have already said. And if you take, for example, Krishna – he is the patron of the Galaxy and so on. They responsible for a particular sector of the Galaxy, and like all non-incarnated Spirits from the twenty-fourth level because above that level, they are no longer distinguishable for us. And those (23, 24 levels) Angels from the Spiritual world, while living in the Spiritual world, are responsible for the development of egregors and separate Spirits of planets or Spirits of Galaxy sectors. It was 23 and 24 levels of Angels who developed this program for the planets, so to speak, the duration of life; they proceeded from the conditions of life on this planet: climate, energy, social and spiritual. After the war 12000 years ago, different countries, nationalities, languages, religions, and ethnicities started to emerge very rapidly, of course, there were wars, surviving in nature and so on, therefore Mentors at these levels of the Spiritual World came to the conclusion it would be enough to live so many earth years. If you live longer, it will no longer meet the task of incarnation.
Before the disaster, the Earth existed under different conditions, and people lived six, seven, ten times longer, I mean not 60-70 years, but 600-700 years, because Earth had different conditions, for example, you did not have any local conflicts, there were no wars, you did not have any coups at all. There was a different food on Earth, different energy, even a different climate and incarnation on this planet should have led you to the result of this incarnation, [which] should have taken 10 times longer. And now the conditions on Earth have changed, and it is enough for Spirit to pass these lessons for a short period of time and then go to Spiritual world, or incarnate on another planet or here back again. And if there is a longer time, it will be a useless waste of time for the spirit; it will not be able to accumulate anything new here.
Speaking of life expectancy – this is the decision of Spiritual Mentors, which was naturally agreed with God, and has already been conditioned by all the decisions of Burkhad and Tumesouts civilizations and so on, which changed the genetics if you speak from a global point of view. In the future, when the population of planet Earth, as a civilized community will pass its lessons and join the Interstellar Union, the Council of the Interstellar Union will share such technologies to bring you back to the level before the war. This question is already agreed upon in the Spiritual world. And again you will live at “before the war” level, and then maybe we’ll even change your genetics so that you can get at least 30-40% closer to the life expectancy of the same Burkhad civilization if conditions on the planet change so much that you can live here a period of 5000-6000 years, without harming your Spirit, but developing it.
35:00 How many elements are in your periodic table? What are the element and its sequence number is the latest?
I: They do not have such tables, they just have a list of elements, and they only take into account those that are in nature (natural), they do not take into account artificially obtained ones that we have after Uranus. He says because the artificially produced elements are the same natural elements, but they are atoms that you have just filled with other energies. Therefore, temporarily they seem to have become different, but in fact, they did not become different, they just changed energetically until these energies come out of them. You have those elements that you call new types, obtained artificially, but they exist there only for seconds and minutes and then they fall apart. This is because they are not created by God, by the Divine mind, by atoms, by vibrations. You artificially took a natural element; let the energy in, dispersing these particles, and these atoms temporarily let the alien energy in, until the properties of the element will change, until the energy comes out. Then they will return to their original form or go to other [States] if these energy atoms will change.
37:14 Did mushroom spores come to Earth from outer space? Are there any civilizations in our galaxy that use mushrooms in their diet?
I: Do you call mushrooms a kingdom that is between plants and animals?
Z: Yes.
I: In fact, this Kingdom is even more diverse than the world of insects. There are microscopic fungi, and there are visible, large macroscopic fungi. Yes, the ones you named came to Earth from space. Microscopic particles may well travel on meteorites and so on and be preserved inside them, just as microbes are preserved in the depth of meteorites when passing through the atmosphere, for example, or when the Earth passes through a layer of meteor dust in space, such particles may settle on it.
But the spores of microscopic fungi are more difficult, they are less adapted to the conditions in space, because the smaller the body, the more adapted it is, it is less affected by the surrounding conditions because it is too small. For example, it requires fewer nutrients, it is easier to surround itself with a capsule and hide from harmful elements, which is why, for example, bacterial spores are more viable than insects. For example, if you take a spore of the same botulism bacteria, some other anaerobic flora, and boil it for 2 hours, this spore will be alive afterward. And if you also boil the same way bug or cockroach, you will see they no longer alive, not to mention more complex organisms, such as animals, they will not be able to surround themselves with such a capsule, their organs are differentiated from each other.
Personally, we are not [in the diet], but there are some civilizations that do use such elements, and he says your mushrooms are not suitable for us, we do not have such. But we have studied your organisms, which you call fungi, we do not have an enzyme for splitting, it is people and some animals that have these enzymes that can break it down. These enzymes for the digestion of fungi are specific, they differ from the enzymes necessary for animal food and necessary for plant food, they are specific, and not every animal on Earth can consume them. Man is adapted for such, but I have already said that man is omnivorous. Of course, there are poisons, toxins that he cannot digest, but still, there are only a few as such, basically, all types of food can be consumed.
41:25. Did Irina treat the aliens with Russian traditional dishes?
I: When I was taken to Shimore, to the homeland of Krishna’s father, they eat our fruits there, which is called kiwi, and I took some of them there, bought such fruits for Shimore. Yes, I also tried to treat Kirkhiton, in addition to beer, with candy. Yes, I’ll tell you now. I had a simple caramel with me, I gave it to him, unfolded it, he was holding it and said: “Can I take it for some chemical analysis?” And I say: “Yes.” Then he picked it up, and at the next contact, but it was about a year or two ago, I don’t remember, at the next contact he told me that some robot, an analyzer-robot, had analyzed it. He said that my body should not consume this because it contains dyes that are harmful in such quantities.
I asked him «What can you have? », He said: «If you would give me some sugar», «I can have sugar, it will break down! » «We have sugar sticks for sale» he showed me and even gave it to me to try. Such a long stick that looks like counting sticks for children. The only thing counting sticks are flat but these are round, has size like pencils, but smaller. They are all white, solid, and consist not of sugar, not of sucrose, which has a different formula, but of glucose. He said their factory makes these glucose sticks, and molecules there are arranged in a crystal lattice in a circle. You can eat them, they are so fragile, you can bite them off, and it will dissolve. Glucose is less sweet, for example, glucose tablets in the pharmacy, and it is less sweet than sugar. Only we have it in the form of a pill, and they have it as food.
Naturally, Kirkhiton tried to treat me with his daily food, which called Voptenderi, did you hear? These are such living worms. When Keerkhiton took me to Disaroo the last time, a month ago, to visit Saint Germaine, he treated me to some kind of herbal tea, and I treated him with an apple that I took with me. They are actually Earthlings by gene pool; of course, they all eat what we do. He says we studied your plants, apples, bananas, and pumpkins. And your pumpkin is suitable for us, it is similar to our dish if you make a pumpkin with milk like porridge, it is similar in color and properties, only we have it as a fruit of a different color, but it is similar in properties.
45:22 Can we, the united communities of contactees and their like-minded supporters (workers, engineers, intellectuals and scientists, etc.) contact you in a format that is accessible to us, signed by all members of our communities, with a request to join your Union and help us solve, at least, the environmental problems of the planet?
I: You can do this in the form of contacting; you are a community of contactees and those who want to learn how to contact. Specifically in ecology, we have a specialist from planet Tikht. They have certain solutions – how to solve certain environmental problems, but you need to talk about this specifically with specialists who are involved in your ecology, and how much they are ready to implement it.
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