Participants:
Irina Podzorova — contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations;
MidgasKaus – biologist, psychologist, and alien life forms specialist of the Interstellar Union;
Zebuniso Heikkinen – industrial thermal power engineer from Finland.
Published May 22, 2020
01:17
Zebuniso: Is life on Earth a template for life in the Universe when compared to the standard model of constants or equations of life? What are the General principles?
Irina: Yes, indeed, the basic laws of physical life are universal for the entire universe. That is, for the part of the macrocosm that makes up the physical universe.
As you know, this is only a small part of the total volume of the universe.
What are the features of physical bodies existence?
This is a density, a certain volume, shape, etc.
What are the features of incarnated Spirits existence in these bodies?
Well, first of all, it is always an adaptation to the type of body that has developed as a result of natural evolution, or as a result of artificial hybridization, i.e. brought by other civilizations. There are many physical humanoid beings in the galaxy who appeared naturally through the evolution of the animal world. By natural evolution, I do not understand the blind law of nature here, because according to the teachings of the Interstellar Union, any law, even the law of evolution, has its own legislator.
So, in short, the features of incarnated Spirit in a physical body are always:
The first is the adaptation to this body, the second is the control of its instinctive nature, that is, it has the instincts of every organ, every cell.
Each cell is also a separate living organism.
Which also lives its own life, included in the life – you can say, some group mind of individual organs.
And all of this together makes up its own body instinct, Spirit has its own instinctive energy, which is combined with this program in the genes of a body to make a certain unity, which is called the instinctive program.
If you have seen our interpretation with the Archangel Raphael on the book of revelation, which we are giving now, it is not about real person in this particular verse, it is more about some spiritual phenomenon.
It says in Chapter 12 woman stands clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, which is called Satan, and brought him down to the ground…
The word “woman clothed with the sun” refers to the Soul. And Soul clothed with the sun-the sun is always a symbol of light, a symbol of Christ, that is, the Higher Self. The God that is in you. When you connect with your Higher Self, you will feel there is nothing but light.
Therefore, it is written that your soul is clothed in light, i.e. in the Sun.
Everything was given at the level of consciousness of St. John the Evangelist, who received this information directly from the astral body of Christ. Despite the fact that Christ is now on Burkhad in a physical body, his Spirit still continues to be with his father, i.e. in this unity.
Therefore, he continues to be spiritually in this state. And his astral body can also come to Earth, which means he visits the Earth. He also does astral travel, just like the rest of us.
He leaves his physical body on Burkhad, as I did now, only I came from Eslair, etc.
And he can make contacts with his followers, in this case with St. John the Evangelist, who was his apostle on Earth, he knew very well he was his student being incarnated, his life on Earth, so he opened revelation to him.
I can talk endlessly on this subject; he said very deep things to him, i.e. Jesus told John. He said very deep things about our human nature.
And he said it at the level of consciousness of this contactee, so he would understand him. At the level of consciousness of man from the first century, who did not study modern psychology, genetics, astronomy, etc.
He had his own world view and Jesus so organically fit into it that a single word was not incomprehensible, he said everything in the language of symbols, and these symbols can have a multi-meaning interpretation and each interpretation contains one of the facets of truth.
Well, I took the direct meaning of these interpretations from those archangels who directly communicate with Christ.
For example, here it helps me in decoding, and I communicate with my contactee – Archangel Raphael.
He is not incarnated right now, he is in Spiritual world, just like the Archangel Michael.
They also communicate with Irina and help to decode this language of symbols.
Well, speaking of this dragon with seven heads and ten horns and so on, that is how indicated the instinctive power of your body and your Spirit. Like some kind of unity of instincts, its what you call an animal nature:
This is not bad energy, it is not from the devil, it is from God, and it is important that Spirit does not degrade, but develops, it is important to manage it correctly.
If you ride a horse, and if you do not control it, it can take you to the abyss.
But this does not mean the horse is bad, the horse is good because with its help you will reach the goal faster than on foot.
Well, in this case, the rider is you, your Spirit. I mean your Spirit is You.
And therefore, there is a unity of all living thick-density structures where sentient Spirit is incarnated on any planet.
The pattern here is that each spirit adapts to its body which it was incarnated in. First, to its receptors – first months of fetal development (pregnancy is for mammals), there are egg-laying forms of living organisms, including sentient ones.
There are those who have moved to development in the apparatus, planet Dahraal, for example. In any case, their fetus also develops in apparatus, and Spirit incarnates there. There are no obstacles for a Spirit; it does not matter to him what to go through – through metal or tissues of the body. In any case, it will incarnate. And during the development of the fetus, it adapts to the body’s receptors, to its nervous system. And this is not an easy process, it takes some time. After birth, the body’s receptors adapt to the environment that exists. I will now use the example of a human being, but you refer this to any humanoid civilization.
As soon as the baby is born, a world of smells, sounds, images, flickering before his eyes that cannot yet be far seen, is falling upon him. And all this is intensively processed and stored in the temporary memory of the brain, the one the spirit takes over at the level of chemical bonds of the brain.
But this, of course, is not the entire memory of the Spirit.
This is why they block the Spirit’s memory of past incarnations, so that it does not interfere with its adaptation.
Here is an example: if a Spirit in a previous life was incarnated in a reptilian, and it still remembers its life, then later, when it is born as a human, but it will have a memory of life on the planet of reptilians in the appropriate environment, then when its father and mother take it in their arms, it will simply be afraid of them. Because they should be like reptilians for him.
This will not help, but will greatly hinder your ability to adapt.
This is why mentors block memory before each incarnation.
I say this because, in Christianity, one of the main objections to reincarnation is the absence of memory. But it is not absent for nothing, but for the purposes and tasks of a Spirit. The second is an adaptation to instincts, when a child begins to grow, he adapts to the environment and his body.
A person learns to walk, talk, watch, pick up something, control his body. Learns to understand what pain, pleasure is, etc. In different forms. And at the same time, he learns social connections – what is mom, dad, what is possible and impossible, begins to form his habits and concepts.
This is a very useful function of the body, so that when it grows up, it can continue to grow and develop.
This is the most useful stage of childhood, when the most basic concepts are laid down, it is up to seven years, preschool age.
It is the most intensive development of the entire nervous system and set aside in Spirits memory such concepts as – what is good, what is bad, taking someone else’s is not good punishment can be followed, if you did something bad – you will be hurt. The most basic concepts at the hot-cold level.
And all this will then affect the subsequent experience. Even the attitude of mom and dad to the child when he grows up will influence his understanding of God, for example.
Because those who had cold-minded parents, unemotional, strict, demanded a lot from their children, gave them little love for some reason because they themselves were not taught to do it, and when they grow up, it will be difficult for them to believe in a loving God.
They will think that God requires them to be good, otherwise he will punish them, etc.
14:01
Zebuniso: How different are the fundamental laws of physics from quantum mechanics to thermodynamics and gravity in the components of the universe?
Irina: If we take into account physical reality, then in any case the law of gravity is the same.
Every two material particles are attracted to each other by a force directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. This comes from the fact that the energy of gravity inside matter is distributed in atoms and it has its own properties. In this case, we are talking about the fact that distance reduces the impact of gravitational waves of energy, and we consider mass as the number of gravitons in a particular amount of matter.
Of course, weight depends on volume, density, etc., but the fundamental law of nature in any atom of physical reality provides an analogy of atoms’ structure in any part of the physical universe.
We don’t have the planetary model of the atom that you have based your theory of thermodynamics and electricity on. We have a different model, the energy model of the atom. We believe that an atom is a dense material particle that consists of three levels of energy.
The source of this energy, this must be taken into account, is located in the Spiritual world, the flow of energy gradually lowers its vibrations, first, it makes up subtle worlds, and then – as a small part of the universe – dense material ones.
Why is such a small part – because there are only 59 density levels in the universe, and the dense material universe is made up of the first three. Another 56 are subtle worlds. And the laws of physics in dense material worlds do not work, there are other laws – gravity is different, density, and so on.
What constitutes the house of a subtle world being (plasmoid), a person can pass through it and not feel anything. There’s less gravity. There is gravity, but it is small, plasmoids can fly without wings, just using their power of thought.
17:58
Zebuniso: is Earth a unique planet in terms of ingredients, the laws of nature, including the seasons, and does Earth have an absolute or approximate copy of these characteristics?
Irina: I will say as a space explorer. I studied a few other planets and galaxies, in courses we studied something like a reference book.
My deep conviction is that every planet that is not even inhabited by someone is unique.
Full copies of Earth, of course, are nowhere to be found, as well as full copies of Eslair, Burkhad, and whether the same Mars.
Mars is also a unique planet, like Jupiter and those that are not inhabited.
Each planet has an individual diameter, density, atmosphere composition, soil composition, distance from the sun, the angle of inclination of the ecliptic, etc.
What is the tilt axis of the planet? This is a conditional line passing through two poles, perpendicular to the sphere.
20:05
Zebuniso: How many galaxies outside of our own were born or engulfed by the Big Bang, and are these galaxies developing along with intelligent life like our own?
Irina: You already know hundreds of thousands of galaxies, right? Well, earth science as far as I understand the latest data knows already, a million known galaxies.
What you call the Big Bang is like a beginning of a new cycle.
This can be said to be the condensation of subtle energies into a dense material form.
Naturally, the first thing that appears in this case is energy, i.e. light, for example. Visible light.
Whether this happens in a form of an explosion, I cannot say so, because the light is an energy that can be seen by your physical body receptors on Earth.
In any case, I cannot say that it was like a bang, like an explosion of noise, because the word explosion is associated with something that has a point, expansion, etc.
I cannot say that there was an expansion from the point, because the subtle universe and the Spiritual world, where dense material universes and all the galaxies emerged, have always been in space. But your receptors considered it empty.
And when matter condensed to the state of the first atoms, it was as if from the light, light first appeared, and then it began to form atoms.
So what you call neutrons, protons, primary hydrogen, stars, and so on, all started to form from the energy that was formed there, which you call light.
And this cycle repeats.
This light did not come from a single point, it came from all over the surface of space, think of space as such a sphere.
In any case, this is not an explosion, this is the formation of dense matter, as I understand it. He showed me just now-like a glass jar, and there was some liquid in it. And it seemed to freeze and become denser.
Like ice. There is a condensation that takes place, not an explosion, not expansion, not from a point, all at once in space.
And he says that space is a kind of sphere. Well, the universe. They understand it that way.
24:13
Zebuniso: Is life itself a living matter? Is it able to reproduce and evolve?
Irina: What is time? This is the process of counting changes in matter.
If there is no change in the Spiritual world, then there is no time in understanding there is a process going on. The only sense of time there is feeling of eternity. You will feel yourself there as time does not pass there, you are in eternity now, in one moment.
24:49
Zebuniso: Is biology in cellular engineering in the universe similar to earth’s carbon-based biology? How many planets are there in the universe where carbon is the optimal element for the origin of life, and water is the solvent for its movement?
Irina: There are not only carbon-based life forms but also silicon-organic compounds of bodies that make up silicon-organic bodies that can withstand high temperatures. For example, on Geehore. The planet Geehore.
For example, there are compounds of regular proteins that are based on carbon, but instead of iron compounds, copper atoms play a role in oxygen transport. There is fluorine instead of sodium.
In any case, there are such forms of bodies, and there are 20 basic amino acids that make up our proteins, but as you know, the number of amino acids is not limited to this space.
That is, even you people of Earth have amino acids that are not part of your proteins, but they still exist.
And naturally, in the universe, there is even more variety of different amino acids, including the ones unknown to your planet.
And they can also make up proteins. Naturally, the proteins then turn out to be different. And a set of amino acids there is different too. There may be 20 amino acids, somewhere there may be 30, somewhere there may be 300 at all. In other words, the set may be more diverse. It depends on nutrition, or rather on the environment, on the composition of water, the atmosphere, even the radiation of the sun, well, there are many factors.
Therefore, we believe since the life forms on the planets in chemical and biological composition are different, then life forms, in general, are diverse.
And this leads to important conclusions for contactee’s practice:
The first conclusion is – we can safely contact the earth organism, for example, physically transport it to another planet, and it can visit our planet safely, from the point of view of microbiology.
Why is it safe? Because microbes on every planet go through an evolutionary development path that allows them to develop enzymes to dissolve certain protein structures, in this case.
And if microbes get into the body with a different composition, they will not be able to produce enzymes. And so they are safe.
But for them to become dangerous, there must be a long period of adaptation. Specifically to terrestrial organisms. This is the first conclusion.
So, from a microbiological point of view, visiting the planets is safe. We can visit your planet and vise versa.
And the second important conclusion is your physical contactees who physically visit our worlds, our ships, or our planets, they encounter an alien amino acid composition that is simply sprayed in the air. Well, as if with proteins, with pollen of plants and so on, and even with particles from our organisms, because when we walk when we touch and so on particles are still released.
And from this follows the second important conclusion – those people are absolutely not suitable for physical contact, it is not safe for them who have a tendency to allergic reactions.
And this leads to the second important conclusion – those people are absolutely not suitable for physical contact, it is not safe for them whoever has a tendency to allergic reactions.
If your body does not respond adequately to the arrival of a completely normal for your terrestrial protein structure, an antigen is released that destroys the entire body, then naturally no one can predict if an allergic reaction will be triggered in conditions of another planet.
30:11
Zebuniso: Is there a Scientific Council in the Interstellar Union?
Irina: There are many.
In other words, he is telling me now there are scientists in different areas of science and there are individuals in the Interstellar Union who can be members of different alliances, scientists group and not only from the planets of the Interstellar Union.
30:40
Zebuniso: Does the Interstellar Union practice patenting inventions?
Irina: Not in the form that you have.
By the rules of the Interstellar Union, there is encouragement for inventors, but it’s not aimed towards the financial benefit. Such scientists immediately provided with the students to put the invention into practice. He can be given the opportunity to develop a whole direction. And there are no critics so no patent protection or anything like that.
Our consciousness did not go (in most civilizations of the Interstellar Union) along the way of mind, which we called criticality.
No information is superfluous or garbage for us.
In any case, even if a scientist made a mistake and put forward some postulates that will not lead to practical results, no one will criticize him for this in such a way that he should stop this research.
They can explain why it didn’t bring any results and guide him towards the right direction in his studies. But it is imperative to say his research is still valuable because it led other scientists away from research on this issue.
They tell him yes, your work is valuable, but if you see for yourself it did not lead to positive results, they will not instruct him but offer him to shift efforts to a more promising direction.
But if he wants, he can try to do it again and he will be encouraged, because if you want to figure it out till the end then it’s your right, because you stand your ground not wanting to give up.
Just like in the case with a scientist, our upbringing of our children – we always say that an intelligent being should not look back at the opinions of others but should live as suggests its inner Light.
Zebuniso: I got it. All is clear. In other words, I made one conclusion for myself: any invention you have becomes public.
Irina: Well, if the scientist decided to go public with it, then Yes. If he is doing something in secret, for himself, in any case, we do not bring up children this way, because then what is the meaning, and what is the value of his work for others?
If he did it just for his pleasure, then he will understand he can get even more pleasure by sharing it with others. Because we believe in the happiness that Spirit experiences cannot be complete until you share it with as many people as possible.
34:30
Zebuniso: What alloys do you use for ships and uniforms?
Irina: We have different alloys for ships, including titanium, molybdenum, tungsten, and thiur. We have a different alloy there.
Zebuniso: What about uniforms?
Irina: By uniforms you mean protective suits?
It’s the same there. There is a third-degree of protection, which allows you to go to planets with high radiation and surface temperatures of up to three thousand Celsius, then yes, a special alloy where tungsten, silicon, and something organic included, but there are alkaline metals …
Zebuniso: Is there underground water on the Moon and are there photosynthetic organisms and aquatic fauna?
Irina: There is water, but very deep inside. It does not freeze, but it is deep beneath the surface.
Because a long time ago, before the war 12,000 years ago, there was water on the lunar surface, it was frozen, there was also a small atmosphere, it was all there.
But in any case, it is located deep and photosynthetic plants… well they not found on the surface, there is no atmosphere, etc., and so on. But he says it is very inconvenient to extract this water, it is located in the depths of the Moon and most civilizations bring their own. Bring some on spaceships.
Zebuniso: Ok. So there is no fauna.
Zebuniso: What representatives of flora and fauna were brought to Earth and what mechanisms were used to adapt them to terrestrial conditions?
Irina: The moment your planet was discovered by Tumesout from the Interstellar Union, it was a big spaceship, he’s showing me a crew of 120 humanoids… And they discovered your planet 5 million years ago. There were already plants, animals, fish, insects, birds, and primates. Like our monkeys.
They reported their discovery to the Interstellar Union, other civilizations arrived to explore, and there was a history of Earth exploration.
And they were investigating whether there are intelligent beings on this planet? Who have not yet built cities and still live in nature.
We paid attention to monkeys, dolphins, whether the sentient Spirit can be incarnated there. They found out that Earth had no one for sentient Spirits to incarnate in, these were all animal Souls, which, I repeat, are created by plasmoids.
First, we observed the population of primates, creating conditions for their natural evolution and development.
They tried to teach them something, to breed offspring with a more developed nervous system, but for several million years of evolution, nothing happened.
3 million years ago, it was decided to start hybridization. This is 2 million years after the discovery.
Hybridization was initiated by representatives of Burkhad, Tumesout and Selbet.
Our planet Eslair did not participate there, because we were included in the Interstellar Union later.
Afterword
Irina: There is a strong movement of contactees (USA) – with Tashigue, with subtle civilizations, and so on. It was shown and talked about on TV.
The contactee movement there is much older than in Russia.
In Europe, contactees are not easily found… Because, with external freedom, people are very closed internally, throughout Europe. In Russia, on the contrary, they say that there are fewer freedoms, but there is more internal freedom. A person’s life in Russia is not so regulated.
The education that Europeans give their children is strictly according to the rules, without putting too much into the soul.
It is laid down to the child from a young age that any word and statement must have material evidence.
This capitalist system is based on the fact that God communicates with people through the law, a legal interpretation. And the Orthodox have a more organic interpretation – God does not act according to laws, but according to grace.
That is why there is a different attitude to Spiritual world in general.
I would not say that the attitude of Europeans to the spiritual world is materialistic, there are also non-materialists there, but they believe that there are a God and a spiritual world, angels, spirits of some kind, civilizations, they either do not contact to humanity at all or they do it with high-ranking people.
Why do they think so?
Because it is embedded in their norms, it is laid down since childhood.
It is difficult for them to imagine that an alien will spend his time on a person who cannot change anything in this world.
Even if a person imagines that there is an alien, it will be difficult for him to understand that this someone will fly in for hundreds of light-years to chat with a girl from the village.
Europeans have a strict hierarchy, some are higher, some are lower in society.
That is, they have a very strong public egregore.
This is transmitted with the mother’s milk, it’s strict – in family, mom and dad have a higher rank, they are treated with respect, and so on.
Let’s say there is an alien. Why would he come to them? Even if he arrived, they need to provide proof of his existence. To the question – why provide evidence? – they will look at it in disbelief and think – why did he come here? Why bother to show up…
They (the Europeans) have this kind of thinking – straight legal. Since you said it, you must have a paper.
Russian and Eastern peoples have a different mentality, which is regulated by the egregores of Orthodoxy (in this case). This is also a branch of Christianity, but it recognized more the Spiritual path rather than externally – public one.
It is easier for Russians to believe that an ordinary girl was visited by aliens or Spirits. Because Orthodoxy recognizes it is necessary to evaluate a person not by status, but by internal content.
It is available in Europe but very little, it is mainly among the Russians.
One of your (European) economists said whoever has highly spiritual content is the one who has a high status in society.
This is combined with you – God gives a spiritual person a mind how to advance and become higher. You have these things connected. And for Russians, on the contrary, it is difficult for true spirituality to advance in society because these are different things.
There comes the difference between your mentalities and your egregorial structure.
You, Zebuniso, as an eyewitness of these phenomena can confirm or deny my words.
Zebuniso: I fully confirm that this is true.
Translation: https://youtu.be/I71TNH-OWO4
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