#19 Extraterrestrial contactee Irina Podzorova: Conference in Voronezh (part 2), the 28th of September 2019.
Participants:
Irina Podzorova – extraterrestial contactee.
Maxim Rusan – Head of the Spiritual Development Center.
Maxim: How did you become a contactee? Who are you in contact with? What kind of contact do you have?
00:25 How Irina became a contactee. Types of contacts.
Irina: As I mentioned before I had become a contactee at the age of 13, thinking of nothing like this, I didn’t think that aliens existed. Not that I didn’t believe in them, I just didn’t think about this. I heard that there were flying saucers, it was 1999, but I didn’t ponder if they really existed. If I was asked about their existence I would say “I don’t know, I simply don’t know. Maybe they exist, but they are far away”. But since childhood, I looked at the stars and thought that someone was living there, but I understood that stars were far away, so it meant that they lived there and we lived here, so how they could come to us, it was too far away.
At that moment I lived in village Peski, Povorino district.
01:26 Alien ship appearance, description of aliens’ appearance
In this village Peski, in the evening of July 1999, I just turned 13 at that moment, I played outside in the local park and when I lifted my head up I saw a triangle standing there – a spaceship. But then I didn’t know that it was a spaceship.
Maxim: What time was it?
Irina: I don’t know. I didn’t have a watch but it was twilight and the street lights were already on. Maybe it was around 9 p.m. While I was walking along the road, I saw that there was a triangular object. The object stood horizontally, not like rockets vertically but on three supports. And near the object, I saw five persons. The object had round windows and lights. In the beginning, I didn’t understand what was happening. I didn’t think that there were aliens. Simply because I didn’t see this object in motion I saw it on the ground already. I thought maybe something was being built there. But it didn’t look like machinery. It was not there in the morning. I was confused but something didn’t let me go away, probably my curiosity.
I saw 5 people there I counted them around that object and I thought that I would go and ask them about this object. I was really interested because it was not there before when I passed that place and suddenly it appeared.
When I came up closer I saw that they were taller than humans and they were around 3 meters tall and their bodies had no necks, instead of it, their heads were connected to the shoulders forming a semicircle.
They had 3 eyes – two yellow round eyes, and one red (it was like a flashlight on the forehead).
04:10 First contact with Kirkhiton.
Irina: I stopped and thought “What is that?” Suddenly I heard as one of them asked me in a male deep voice in Russian “Who are you?”
I thought as he spoke to me in a male voice, that he was a man and that a movie was shot there and they were wearing costumes. I asked him back “Who are you?”. He replied “I am Kirkhiton.” And I introduced myself as Irina. Then he asked me “Will you fly with us?”. When he said the word “fly”, I was struck like lightning with the understanding that they were not humans, they were extraterrestrial beings from a different planet. I asked “Where?”. He replied “Where we live.” There were five of them. One of them was talking to me and the rest were quiet. They all looked at me at once so if I looked away then I would not be able to distinguish and identify the person I was talking to.
Maxim: Chinese all look the same for Russians.
Irina: I was really curious. It became really interesting to me and I wanted to see it. But I realized that another planet was very far away. I replied that I couldn’t fly with them. That time I lived together with my mom and if I didn’t come home soon she would be worried and search for me. Kirkhiton said to me: “Note the time, exactly in 2 minutes you will be back here.”
Question from the audience: Were you scared?
Irina: I had no fear, because I understood that they were extraterrestrial beings and they could look whatever.
Maxim: I would like to shorten this information. But full information you can find in the group. So for the first time, she just traveled with them but when they came the second time she consciously has agreed to become a contactee. She was asked if she wanted to become a contactee and she inquired about the conditions. She has been explained the conditions. How many times a week did he pick you up, two?
Irina: Yes. There were three conditions.
Maxim: What three conditions were?
Irina: It was during the second contact. I was then taken to the Moonbase. I just wanted to say that at the first contact I was taken to the Kirkhiton’s homeland, the planet Dahraal. It is the Cassiopeia constellation.
07:55 Description of the second contact between Irina and Kirkhiton.
Irina: For the second time Kirkhiton picked me up on flying saucer.
Maxim: Did they take you to the Moon?
Irina: Yes.
Maxim: What was there on the Moon?
Irina: There was a base on the Moon. Under the Moon or rather on the far side of the Moon. Closer to the South Pole. There was an entrance to the base.
Maxim: Are there many bases on the moon at all?
Irina: I was told that there was one big base for 18 civilizations of the Interstellar Union, including Dahraal.
I was taken there. The most surprising thing for me was always that there was white light like from these lamps but when you were inside a triangle or a flying saucer the light was very bright there but there were no light lamps.
08:50 Moon base.
Irina: When we arrived at the Moonbase, we did not walk on the surface of the Moon, we went out immediately into the cave where we could be without protective suits. Certain temperatures and compositions of the atmosphere had been created there. It was a few days after the first contact. It was late July 1999. So it was summer and I was in light clothes. It was a little cool there, but one could breathe and move.
When I was brought into the room there was another Dahraal person, a doctor by profession.
Maxim: Irina, I think all this information is in the group. In general, a chip was inserted into her. She was told three conditions. What are the conditions?
09:20 The conditions for Irina to become a contactee.
Irina: The first condition: “You will come twice a week to the place that I will show you (it was a place in the forest on a forest glade) in the evening at 21:30, on Tuesday and Thursday, twice a week”. The same days and at the same time. That was to be only in summer. In winter, when there was snow, he didn’t come.
«I will pick you up on my flying saucer and show you different planets: first the Solar system and then the Galaxy ones». He planned to show.
Maxim: Has he shown you a lot already?
Irina: Yes. He has shown me the entire Solar system and several dozens of planets of the Galaxy. I don’t remember everything now, of course, a lot of time has passed.
Maxim: There is an idea for Irina to write a book, which will be called “The planets of the Solar system.” To be precise, to describe all the 727 planets with intelligent life, that are members of the Interstellar Union.
Irina: In addition to the first condition, if I did not come, I would miss the physical contact, then instead of the missed physical contact, I would have 5 mental ones. Maxim knows what mental contact is.
11.55 Explanation of the essence of mental contact.
Maxim: I had met Irina before her energy structure was balanced at all levels. Because hen she was given two more chips by the Eslairians, which harmonized her. They gave her an opportunity to see another level of plasmoid civilizations, she could see other Earth-level civilizations. She does not feel her physical body when she comes into contact. There is an exchange of energies between his structure and her structure. He doesn’t use her physical body, they exchange energies. If we look at our chakras systems, we have seven chakras, seven energy structures, but the Dahraal inhabitants have 24 ones!
The Eslairians have 12 chakras, i.e 12 energy structures. We are different by energy structure and it is very difficult for us to be adapted for communication without any additional devices. That is why the number of contactees on Earth is small.
13:06 Mom’s doubt and Irina’s medical check, Irina’s doubts.
Maxim: Her mother took her to the hospital to doctors, highly qualified psychiatrists. Irina told me about all the contacts. Mom thought that Irina went to the forest doing something there, it was not clear what, and when she returned home she called it a “contact”. So first her mother took her to the gynecologist to check. It turned out that she had no contact about which mother was thinking. Then she took her to psychiatrists. They checked for a long time and eventually they themselves began to communicate with Kirkhiton. They realized that for them it was something interesting, some kind of incomprehensible structure. They asked her: “Can you enter this state?” She said: “Of course I can!” At that time Irina was in convulsions during the contact and they held her she could not fall. Then doctors began to ask Kirkhiton questions. Then her mother was told that since Irina entered this condition consciously, it didn`t happen by itself so it could not be treated as a mental disorder. Therefore, it was not a disease. No one could really say what this was, the doctors did not say that they communicated with an alien in order nobody could think that the doctors needed to be treated themselves, and thus they quietly gave Irina back to her mother again.
She had contacts in this form since the age of 13. When I met Irina and she told me I understood that some strange emotions were coming. I suddenly understood “Irina, you don’t believe yourself in what is happening with you?” She replied, “To be honest, yes.” I was surprised. I said:” You said, you had a real contact.” She said “Yes.” “And you don’t believe that you had a real contact?” She said, “I doubt it.”
15:30 Irina’s communication with Ufologists.
She referred to Ufologists. They began to push her to get some evidence. They advised to steal a piece of something from a flying saucer or tell where her contact was, and they would take a photo. There is a rule of the Interstellar union: they provide no evidence. There is an article in the group about why they don’t provide the evidence. It happened so many times, and it’s the second conference when people demand evidence. At first, we even tried to give indirect evidence but in the end, we realized that human was such a structure that if you proved something to him, he would then ask for more – “Prove that I am a human and I exist.” The very structure of a human is a huge amount of doubt, even in what he can touch. Not to mention the fact that he cannot see. Therefore, no proof of contact is given. We can talk about this, we can conduct discussions about this, let even someone does not believe, let even someone doubt but at least we can already try to present this information in the form of a certain conference.
We are here trying to convey the information that they convey to us and what this information is for. That is, for growth and development.
16:50 Is it possible to refuse a contact.
Maxim: What was the third condition?
Irina: The contact is established for the whole lifetime. I was told that if they installed a chip, then I would not be able to refuse. If I refused them, I would be brought to Earth and we would not see each other again. I really wanted to hide it all. Kirkhiton told me “If you tell all this to people, they will ask for proofs. The Interstellar Union prohibits us from giving the evidence to the contactees in order to protect them from the security services. Therefore, in order to protect you from the censure of people, that you are deceiving them, it is better not to talk about the contact.”
Maxim: Now at this point in time, it was discussed and agreed that all contacts would take place once per month. Before it was required twice per week, then twice per month. We were explained that it was impossible to organize a contact here. Besides, there are a lot of airfields and so on, and we have to go very far.
18.02. The role of Maxim in working with Irina why he took this role
I help Irina and perfectly understand how my help can hit me back. Because many people really do not perceive it, do not believe, and think that this is a show. For me, this is absolutely not a show, because the information that I receive from them is priceless. Because Irina has contacts, I can ask different questions, so that I answered all the questions that I could not answer myself all my life. That is, I answered my internal inquiries – who I am, what soul and spirit are, why and how religions are formed… No one would answer such a number of questions!
18:25 About the abilities of Irina’s mentor MidgasKaus.
MidgasKaus is Irina’s mentor from the planet Eslair. He is constantly in contact with her. He is also engaged in the diagnosis of the astral fields, reveals diseases of various levels, microbial structures, anaerobic structures. That is, on the astral level, he makes a complete energy-informational diagnosis of the body.
Due to this diagnosis, which he did, I initially kept my faith in all this. When I began to doubt everything (e.g., “Max, what you come up with? What aliens are you talking about?” or, “They said it would be like this but it was like that”; or why does the information contradict what I have read?”), I keep returning to the diagnostics. Because at diagnostic it is impossible to deceive a person. Irina does not know how to do diagnostics, she is just learning. So the diagnostics are done for me by some other creature.
And I return myself to the idea of why I believe. And I don’t need proof. And when I understand that I myself went through it and the diagnostics were not 99 but almost 100% accurate. It was a clear reflection of the entire microbial flora and organs; he described everything in such detail that in order to get such a diagnosis from our current medicine, I would have had to be treated in a hospital for a week and pass a thousand different tests.
For example, the allergy issue investigation. I know that a lot of tests needed to be done, you need to check 40 items. But everything is very simple here. When diagnostics are carried out, you get to know where this disease came from, what projection of your thoughts forms this disease. Since psychologists are present here at our conference, quite experienced psychologists, each competent psychologist understands that all diseases have psychosomatic nature. That is, the initial cause of the disease is psychosomatics. And the development of some virus, bacteria, or something else in the organ which lacks energy or immunity is only a consequence of this disease. I even answered myself the questions, how it all has been formed and why this all was happening.
21:46 Maxim talks about his esoteric experience before meeting Irina.
Before meeting Irina, I had quite a lot of interesting experiences in restoring myself with the help of my esoteric teacher. She was engaged in the Merkabah system. She restored me and took me for training, saying: “You will either learn and develop yourself, or I will not restore you.” I thought and said: “Okay I agree.” It’s a pity that she is not present here at the conference. She lives in New Usman, it’s far enough.
22:22 Irina meets Maxim’s teacher.
Irina and I decided to make fun of my teacher. I told her “Can we help a girl, I think she has something wrong with her head, she communicates with aliens.” So I did not tell her, although before she told me everything about these alien structures – explained how it all has been formed, how it all happened, and where it came from. But she didn’t say everything. And when I brought Irina to my teacher, at first she was skeptical like: “Who you are communicating with, how, why…”, then she asked Irina’s hand. I was present there at that moment. She taught me esoterics, worked with my energies for a year and a half. And when she took Irina’s hands, Irina asked her: «Are you a contactee with Burkhad as well?”
I was stunned and asked why she never told me about that. She answered that they asked not to tell anyone. And was such a great moment. They say sometimes “I believe”, and that was the moment when I believed in my “I believe”!
So they found each other, talked at their own level; they realized that they were in contact with the same civilizations. But Irina then asked me if there was somebody else to visit. For me, it was already more than proof but she still wanted to see one more esoteric people.
23:53 The meeting of Irina and the contactee of plasmoids.
And I took Irina to a very interesting woman, people from all over Russia go to her. She worked with the Spirits of Nature, with the generic, Christian, and Vedic egregores, so she communicated with plasmoid civilizations, and restored people using plasmoids. She recovered even bed patients. There are also many such people in Voronezh. I know her well.
I took Irina to her, introduced them, and Irina started explaining what was happening to this woman. Then things that went another way. Irina said to her: “Here you have this one standing next to you.., you communicate with this.., you work like this…” And then Marina started speaking: “Who is this?” And so I do not need any proof anymore. I understand that it all works and it is real. And this is a discovery for me.
25:17 Irina is a blessing of fate for people.
I’m making this discovery for all of you as well. I want to show that this is all real, it all exists. For me, Irina as a person is a blessing of fate who gives me a huge amount of information. And she will give a lot of information to you too. In the future, we will open a Centre of Spiritual Development, and she will be engaged in training.
I remember myself as a child when I draw pictures in my head and painted them with colors. Children can do it. A large number of children, especially from the 80-s, came as high vibrational souls who understand everything on a subconscious level. If those who understand this on a subconscious level are given the opportunity to explain how it works… This is like you have a book and have no translation, and there are pictures but you do not understand a word. So Irina is the person who can explain what is written, what these pictures mean, which pencils were used and on which page. That is you can get answers to almost all questions.
26:30 Irina’s multifunctionality and the level of her awareness.
Irina is a contactee. She did not have any choice at first, then I appeared in her life and started to ask the right questions in order to understand. The information she provides does not contradict our Christian religion. That is, our religion is the basics of this information that she can give through our friends. I can only be responsible for the religion that I know myself. This is our Christian Orthodox religion. Unfortunately, I have no time to study Catholicism and other religions. I mean our Orthodox Christian religion when I talk about religion.
So, the level of her awareness and understanding of those structures that are nearby certainly going off the scale. Indeed, Alexander correctly said that the most powerful energy, that structures us on the physical level, was that energy of the true light of love if you could call it that, which comes from the Spirit world.
I’ll explain why now…Irina, may I talk because I understand this topic?
…when God gave birth to the souls (we say “gave birth” because he did not create them) but gave birth to them as they are part of him, he did this in order to let the souls grow, gain experience and energy because in the world they had been before they were not able to do it.
Irina: Yes.
28:14 Creation of the soul by God.
Maxim: Let me explain: when God gave birth to the souls (we say “gave birth” because he did not create them) but gave birth to them as they are part of him, he did this in order to let the souls grow, gain experience and energy because in the world they had been before they were not able to do it. In that world, their existence is strictly regulated, as I see it. There is no possibility to make mistakes. Instead, there is a structured order of what can be done and what cannot.
Questions from the audience: What do you mean by “mistakes”?
Maxim: Let me explain this. Under “mistakes” I mean lessons for growth and development. That is, in order for the Spirit born by God (or you may also call Him the Absolute, the Creator, no matter how we call Him but He is the one who created the Spirit) get the freedom of choice when being incarnated in a physical body, He created the plane of the physical world. And by making mistakes the Spirit understands that he could have done this or that differently, and he also understands that there is always the choice for him between the spiritual and the physical. We all, just by being people, have our own physical attachments, hobbies, pleasures, and so on. And at the same time, we have the Spirit in our body. And we develop our Spirit by means of physical body living in the physical world.
29:54 What is the Spirit world.
We receive information from the Spirit world. Let us call it the “Spirit world” because the Spirit world penetrates absolutely all physical worlds. Everything that we can see at the physical level (atoms, molecules, planets, extraterrestrials as well) is just a physical structure to let the Spirit incarnate in order to gain growth and development.
We receive information from the Spirit world. Let us call it the “Spirit world” because the Spirit world penetrates absolutely all physical worlds. Everything that we can see at the physical level (atoms, molecules, planets, extraterrestrials as well) is just a physical structure to let the Spirit incarnate in order to gain growth and development.
That is there is the Spirit world, which provides energy for formation of the physical plane. Then in this physical plane, all other kinds of energies are formed. I mean when the pure energy of Love from the Spirit world is divided into other energies, dense material and subtle material worlds, planets and so on are formed.
They are trying to explain that we, by having the Spirit in our physical bodies, can make choice: we can raise our Spirit up to the next level or lower the Spirit to the level of unconsciousness and then in any case again search for raising up.
31:07 24 levels of spiritual development.
ETs from Dahraal, Burkhad, and Eslair have the same understanding of the Spirit world. And they provided us with information on the Levels of Spiritual development.
There are 24 levels of the spiritual development.
There are 24 Levels of the Spiritual development.
Levels 1-6 are considered to be for demonic structures. What does “demonic structures” mean? It means that they have low-frequency vibrations, which are far from the true light of love that we all desire to achieve in order to come back and become again the same God who will also give birth to the souls. This is of course how we see it. But it is difficult to understand and accept it.
We live for about 100 years. The Burkhaders live about 15000 years. There are ETs that live for 1.5 million years in physical bodies. And the higher level the Spirit has, the more possibilities he gets to incarnate in a higher creature for further growth and development.
We live for about 100 years. The Burkhaders live about 15000 years. There are ETs that live for 1.5 million years in physical bodies. And the higher level the Spirit has, the more possibilities he gets to incarnate in a higher creature for further growth and development.
They tell us that we make a choice at this very moment: whether our Spirit grows higher and then we can incarnate on more interesting planets because we will be more conscious, or we reduce the vibrations to those of demonic structures and incarnate on the planet with monkeys where they kill each other with sticks; on the planet with no socio-cultural system, awareness, and religion. And when our religion tells us that there is heaven and there is hell, it gives us a clear understanding that it is here and now that we have a choice where we go – either we choose development or degradation. Well, in any case, according to the level of spiritual development, we strive for the one who created us. We are his children – children at the spiritual level embodied in physical bodies.
33:14 About embodiment, religion, Christ, the role of the Orthodox egregore.
Maxim: There was a moment in my life when I clearly understood that religion was like a state system. Everything is clearly organized there: one has to come, bring money, pray and go away. But then when I understood the essence and meaning of what was happening there, my attitude to this has completely changed. In any case, in order to promote the knowledge that is given to us, we need a financial egregore that will allow us to organize the same kind of events, drink tea, coffee, put on dress and shoes, in order to live and carry this true light of Love.
When Christ came here and created the Christian egregore, he clearly understood that it would be included in the structure of government. And Christianity, being conditionally subordinate to the state, would get the possibility to grow, use financial benefits, create certain institutions, which would teach how to correctly present this religion because only a few people were ready to believe even in God, let alone in ETs or some other entities.
Why they cannot explain to us who ETs are? Why are they represented as scary? Because there is already a clear Orthodox religious egregore that clearly explains the structure of the Spirit growth. That is, you have to earn money, spend your energy (as Alexander would say), take part of that energy, and contribute to this egregore. That is you contribute by paying attention to this egregore, and time is the most precious thing we have here; time is given to us so that at the physical level, the embodied spirit could have lessons, grow up or degrade. This is called the freedom of choice in the meaning of how you want to live and why everything happens.
They [ETs] explain this information to us as deeply as the Christian egregore does not explain. I sincerely believe in it and I will always support it because all my family belongs to it. Well, at least the last 3-4 generations, though many of them, of course, did not even visit the church because there was the Soviet Union. But the Orthodox egregore does not bring anything bad. It carries 10 commandments that clearly meet the 108 Laws of the Universe, which are dedicated to growth and development. And 7 deadly sins that define the area of soul degradation at the level of physiology.
Tell n simple language how one can explain to a monkey how to get a banana? By giving it a stick. This stick is our religious Christian egregore, which had been formed before. And one more problem is that the Eslairians speak one language, the Dahraal ETs the second one, the Burkhaders the third one, plasmoids generally whistle so that one cannot understand a sound, but due to the fact that there is a translator, somehow it possible to translate all this. And there is also the planet Earth. And there are people and there is the egregore. Everyone here speaks the same language. We as Orthodox Christians speak Russian but the Catholic egregore is formed in another language – in that language that can be understood by a huge number of people who are part of this egregore.
37:10 About the egregore of the United Light of Love.
What it looks like: the Spirits are united into one egregore, they form the united light of love, that divine love surrounds us everywhere in unlimited amount and goes back. А man transmits this light of love through himself. We call it the Divine Light, the Light of Love, or the energies that come from space, let us call it Earth, Universe, the people who surround us, everything conditionally. А man, by having the right of choice, transmits the energy through his chakra structures.
And each chakra has both positive and negative energy moments. That is, you can rejoice, love, project happiness; or you can project negative at the expense of the same energy: pain, resentment, anger. The energy that you form into the Light of pure Love returns back to the Creator. And the energy that you form due to the manifestation of your negativity, misunderstanding, resentment, hatred, and many other things, feed low vibrational creatures, which are also made by the Creator.
What for? To let these low vibrational creatures grow into us at least. And from our level go further, higher. Each of us who is here now, if we already have an embodiment here on Earth, we were unambiguously embodied in demonic structures as well. And the Christian egregore would never tell us about it in any case. But it will call it “Hell”. So it says that here and now you have a choice. Precisely for the moment here and now in this life, you have to make a choice.
If the church would tell us that we could reincarnate, we would choose to delay everything like “ I will do it in the next life.” It is formed so that here and now you already could understand that you need to grow – grow in your spiritual structure, grow in your inner vibrations, grow in the understanding of what you project from yourself, receiving the energy from the outside.
39:25 Why were we created?
ETs (the creators of our physical bodies) have been creating us for a long period of time. But for what? In order to let these spirits, who are at a certain spiritual level, incarnate in us and get these lessons here. Under the lessons, I mean growth and development of the Soul.
Irina communicates with the creatures from the Spirit world, ET civilizations, and plasmoids. The level of her contact impressed me very much, I have never read in any book that it was possible. Let’s say Carlos Castaneda communicates with plasmoids, the Strugatskys also communicate with plasmoids, there are people who communicate with non-embodied spirits of the Spirit world regarding them as mentors, guardian angels, or assistants. We have some kind of assistance behind us, we are not alone here.
We are never alone. Even if you were left alone on a different energy level, or remained on a spiritual level, someone is always with you. They are always trying to help you, just as you are trying to help your child, in order to make it clear that the level of growth and development depends on you only. It doesn’t depend either on anybody else or the bad job you work on, which actually you yourself have chosen; it depends only on you.
40:57 Like attracts like.
Your inner state is a receiver of the true light of Love of the very structure, that nourishes you. There is such a law in the Universe, it is called “Like attracts like”. When you are filled with Love, you project it free of charge, without demanding anything in return, you get the same. The only thing, of course, for you as a physiological being, at least some time is needed. Each structure, that you have drawn, into which you project this energy free of charge, will be formed over time. And we, not knowing this, project negative from ourselves. And what we do – we attract this negative to us again.
We try to create a structure that supposedly will help someone, at the same time we put negative in this structure. We are trying to cheat, to make more money… I say conditionally, I do not say that this is how it is… for example, to cheat in order to earn more money – it seems like the right position when you need to buy a flat for your grandmother, leave your child in a kindergarten – it all needs money. But due to the fact that we form this structure at the expense of the negative – it, in any case, will then attract the negative. And, ultimately, you when you leave from here, and when you leave your physical body and get into the etheric, astral, mental, all your other bodies, only from there you will see the entire projection that you made.
They tell us about it.
So, I suggest moving on. They are already waiting. I already have such high blood pressure, as I understand that they push me that way.
Let’s move on to Irina’s contacts, real contacts. Now it is the time to ask questions to these very structures, which she can translate and provide to you. She is, at least, open to this structure, she can present it, she can give it. And the fact that there are so few of us here today does not mean anything. Even if there were two people here, I would still host this conference. Twenty people … but even if there were two or three times fewer of us, I would still sit here with Irina.
Each person who understands this information, and each person who will carry this information further, I do not mean the fact that there are aliens. There are aliens, this is not a discussion point. As a child, when you looked into the sky, you knew for sure that someone was there. Think back to yourself as a child. There is no such child who thought that there was just the sun. He always feels. There is the Spirit world separately, it permeates absolutely all spaces, all times, all physical matters, it permeates everything. And there is the physical world, which was created by these energies for the Spirits to incarnate.
Our Interstellar friends, clearly understanding why the Spiritual creatures created the physical world, also help to create these physical beings at the level of physiology.
44:16 The connection of the spirit with the physical body.
Irina: The spirit connects with the physical body during incarnation, fully connects, for earthlings this happens at the 7th week of pregnancy, when those parts of the nervous system, that are responsible for transferring the vitality of the spirit into physiology, are formed. What does it mean? This means that we, people, are both physical and spiritual beings.
It all started with our existence as spiritual beings.
44:59 What is Spirit? How is it different from matter?
The matter is subdivided into subtle material and dense material. In addition to these two natures, so to speak, the properties of which are known to everyone, in our world, there is still the separate third nature – Spirit. You probably will ask how Spirit differs from Matter. Spirit differs from matter the same way as an electromagnetic field or, for example, radiation differs from a gas. Imagine a gas – oxygen, and it is in this room. And yet, in addition to oxygen, this room contains electromagnetic fields, radio waves, for example. There are many radio waves here right now. We do not feel them, because the receptors of our body cannot perceive them without antennas installed on radio receivers, but in fact, they are present here. So, oxygen is not visible to our eye, and radio waves are not visible to our eye.
Then how do they differ from each other? Both are not visible.
Voice from the audience: The frequency of vibrations.
Irina: Frequency, right.
That is, atoms, oxygen molecules have one vibration frequency that collects them into an atom, in our language, they, of course, consist of electrons, protons, etc., that is from energies in the language of aliens. And radio waves have a different frequency. Scientifically speaking, these are the same electrons, but not collected into atoms, since they have a different frequency. So the Spirit is distinguished by a much higher vibration frequency than any radio wave, ultraviolet, radiation. It is millions of times higher than their vibration.
Maxim: Everything that surrounds us is energy.
Irina: Yes. The next question that may arise – if there are differences in the levels of vibrations, what exactly vibrates – matter or spirit? That is, what kind of environment?
47:20 The major difference between our science and the science of the Interstellar Union.
In fact, if you look from the position of understanding the world of our interstellar friends, then their position is radically different from our science. It is the question – what is primary.
Our science believes that matter is primary. That there was a Big Bang, that there was nothing before it, and that all our thoughts, all our feelings, everything that we see is all a manifestation of electromagnetic signals in our brain. Our consciousness dies along with the body. In short, as soon as the body dies, there will be no consciousness. Our science thinks so.
Our interstellar friends have the opposite position. They believe that the dense material world is not self-sustaining. It is a manifestation or projection, a reflection that is accessible to the receptors of our body, that very Spirit world. That is when physicists ask the question: what exactly fluctuates, what structure, we can answer that it is the spiritual structure that fluctuates.
The lower the vibrations, the closer they are to the receptors of our body and the closer to the material world, to what we can perceive.
A piece of ice differs from steam only in the frequency of its vibrations, but in both cases, it is just water. By nature, they are no different. But the piece of ice that we can handle has slower vibrations. When we say slow, we mean low. Why do we call them “low”, because their wave frequency is low, that is, more time passes between oscillations. Therefore, their atoms stick close to each other, and we can take a piece of ice in our hands.
If the vibrations get higher, then they are already less attracted to each other and scatter. This is characteristic of water vapor, and we cannot handle it, but it remains the same water.
The same thing happens with the dense material world and spirit.
Among the Burkhaders, the Eslairians, and the entire Interstellar Union, the science of physics is not separated from the knowledge of the Spirit world, unlike us. That is, our religion is separated from science. And for them it has not been separated for millions of years, for them, it is a single knowledge.
Among the Burkhaders, the Eslairians, and the entire Interstellar Union, the science of physics is not separated from the knowledge of the Spirit world, unlike us. That is, our religion is separated from science. And for them it has not been separated for millions of years, for them, it is a single knowledge.
Even in schools, families and various educational institutions, they tell the embodied spirits in their world, i.e. their children, physics, chemistry from the point of view of the Spirit world. They do not say that matter is primary, and the Spirit does not exist at all, this is the domain of religion and a personal matter of everyone, believe it or not. They say that there is Spirit, different levels form matter, and so on. And they believe that all the troubles that occur on Earth are just the consequences of our materialistic consciousness.
51:12 The difference between the technical level of development and the spiritual one is the main problem.
Maxim: That is, our level of technical development is much higher than the spiritual level.
This is where all the problems appear. We are not balancing this yin-yang of Chinese philosophy. We are highly developed technologically, but very low spiritually. Due to what we have wars, we seize each other, seize resources, to possess them we build management systems in order to control the masses of people to achieve a certain result and preserve the values that a few people on the planet have. A person does not care that these are embodied spirits, he may not even know about this. He is satisfied with what is happening, wars, seizure of territories, he does what is convenient for him.
52:10 About the original energy – Spiritual Light, Love, Mind.
Irina: As I said, there is the original Spiritual World. It existed already in those times when there was not a single atom in this physical Universe at all. But all of us were. Everyone who is sitting here, we have already been there. We are still in this original Light. In fact, we don’t get out of it. It’s just that now we are distracted by the material world. Incarnation into the material world does not interfere with the connection with this Light, because, as Maxim rightly said, it permeates everything. Every cell of our body. And this original Light – why I call it Light – because that absolute energy, absolute love, which created the material world and gave birth to us firstly is Energy, secondly it is Mind, and thirdly it is Love.
It can also be called the Truth, Life, Light, it has many names, but in fact, these are all names of the same. The very original Energy. Why I call it “Light”. Because when the Spirit realizes its true nature, it is the light that it feels in itself. It’s not physical light, of course, but at least that’s what we call it – Spiritual Light. Because in our material Universe we can perceive it this way.
Maxim: Yes, we feel it even more like a glow from within.
Irina: The Spirit world exists; it is divided into 24 levels.
Maxim: Yes, by the way, I haven’t finished about them.
Irina: Yes, they are divided into 24 levels according to the level of their vibrations, which, in its turn, are the level of self-awareness of this very light.
54:35 Who is a demon? Its difference from an angel.
Irina: Now I’ll tell you a little, why they are called that, who a demon is and how he differs from an angel.
The demon is the same spirit, it has the same nature as all of us. This is also a sentient spirit, this is also a son, a daughter, if, in an earthly way, the same child of God, the same part of him, only that part of him that is not fully aware of itself as light, even partially, at certain moments of life, it completely forgot that it is Light, and it imagined itself to be Dark. It believed in it. Because of this, it is a Demon. God, wishing us good and happiness in this material universe, created what we call the Laws of the Cosmos. Or, in other words, the Commandments. He did this not in order to forbid us the pleasantness, but in order for us to be happy. That is, prohibitions can bring not only misfortune, they can also bring happiness. If you look at their essence. A demon is one who, imagining himself to be Darkness, suddenly believed that he did not love God and that God did not love him, stopped feeling this Love and, as a result, went against these Laws. And he began to do all these things, which we call Christian sins. And it is not just the commits them accidentally from time to time, but he consciously does that without any regret.
Maxim: Yes, and it grows in this structure from the 1st to the 6th level.
Irina: I am now explaining more in all understandable Christian terminology; in which we are all brought up. The entire Russian Federation was brought up in Orthodoxy. And I try to express myself in such a way that it is clear because the language of biblical parables is known to everyone, it is in films, books, and sayings. Even those who are not familiar with Christianity have relatives, and they have heard about it. What Alexander was talking about, what he called the Demo-animal principle, just says that the Spirit-Demon, which has already incarnated, would use his body in its instinctive part. That is, he will use what Alexander called “the animal principle” – what we took from the animal. Instincts as they actually bring good. As Alexander correctly explained. But, if you use them the way the Demon uses them, already consciously, or how even a bright kind Spirit can begin to use them if he suddenly leaves the path of Light. Anyone can turn off it, in fact, because we have freedom of choice, as a rule. … As Maxim said. And he begins in this body not to connect with his inner light, but to connect with his animal instincts. There are several of them. And the first sign that he has united with his animal instincts, and not with the Spirit, not with the Light in himself, is that he considers himself a temporary physical body. Not the eternal Light or Spirit, but the body. And he lives like a body. What does a body need?
Maxim: That is why there are 10 commandments and 7 deadly sins in our Christian egregore. For those Spirits incarnated on the physical level, who will not be able to understand the difference between right and wrong.
58:40 Awareness of the embodied Spirit, levels of spiritual development.
Irina: And that Spirit, which at least partially realizes itself as Light, feels divine love in itself and in the world through the beauty of nature, through the beauty of music, he can see God’s address to himself even in any song, in any poem. For him, the whole world becomes God’s address to him. I think many people here are familiar with this state. And then he considers himself an immortal Spirit. As to his body – it does not mean that he humiliates his body, and he humiliates his instincts. But he performs them, he controls them, and they don`t control him. The body for him is an instrument for his actions in the material world. An instrument, but not the master of this Spirit.
I have been just talking about Demons, from the 1st to the 6th level. Why are they divided into these levels, because they differ in vibration levels, which in their turn differ according to the level of consciousness.
At the 7th and 8th levels, there are Spirits who have had many incarnations in subtle worlds, the subtle worlds of Earth, that is, these are terrestrial plasmoids, the Spirits of the elements and nature. They occupy 7-8 levels. They are no longer Demons, they do not recognize themselves as Darkness, but they recognize themselves as a part of this very nature. They do not separate themselves from nature. They perceive the light of God as nature.
Further, from the 9th to the 16th level inclusively, there are Spirits, which can be conditionally called “middle”, they do both good and evil. The most common Spirits who are interested in both material and spiritual. And again 9-16 level has peculiar interests, level of vibrations, thoughts, feelings; it’s all different.
Maxim: These are the Spirits of the consumption of material goods.
Irina: Yes, the Spirits that cognize the material world create different programs.
But from the 17th to the 24th level inclusively there are Spirits that very often realize themselves as Light. And the higher the level, the more often they realize it, the more they believe in it, and, most importantly, they bring it more to the world. That is, as Alexander correctly noted, it was impossible to help a person if you don`t not love yourself.
1:02:10 About helping other people from the point of view of energy, awareness of oneself as Light. Intuition, conscience, Higher Self.
Maxim: If there is no energy in oneself, it is impossible to help someone.
Irina: You just don’t know how.
Maxim: Sometimes we do the following way – we give the last we have and then demand something in return. But there is no return… and we are left without everything, and we also begin to project the negative in relation to that person, or to the object to which we gave it…
Irina: That is, if a person is not aware of himself as Light, at least partially, he cannot truly love himself. What “loving yourself” means? It means fully understanding that you are not separate from God, that you are a part of him, and that he loves you. It’s not about permissiveness. The one who believes that everything is allowed to him, and God will not do anything to him for this, nothing will happen to him, this is not self-love. This is different. Self-love is always combined with a love for God. The one who loves himself, feels Love in himself, will never consciously go against the Laws of God. It is not that it is forbidden for him, he has no desire to do it, because the Light of Love is not compatible with such energies.
A voice from the audience: He acts out of conviction, not under pressure.
Irina: Yes. And a person cannot be helped, by spending your energy if you do not see the Light in yourself. If a person is in trouble or illness, in order to see how to help him correctly, and not harm him or himself or others, you must first learn how to do it. Understand the reasons that led him to this state. And these reasons are known by the person himself. His inner Light. What we call now Inner Light I usually call Higher Self.
Voice from the audience: Conscience?
Irina: Conscience is one of the manifestations of the Higher Self. Another manifestation of the Higher Self is intuition. Conscience, intuition and striving for good are manifestations of our true or Higher Self.
Each person has the so-called natural “moral law”, what does this mean? On an intuitive level, despite being brought up in some kind of evil, negative, any person, especially in childhood, until nothing in him replaced his essence, he always feels if the act is evil. Even if he doesn’t speak out loud, he feels that it is bad. Because it is in us. This is a natural moral law. It manifests itself through conscience and intuition. And this is all a manifestation of that original Light, which is our true I. As long as we are embodied in this material body, this true I for us is the Higher Self.
1:06:09 Why do we say Higher Self?
Because when we connect with our Higher Self (each person has such an ability, property), we always feel that we are rising up, we experience a feeling of rising. It is because of this feeling of ascent that we call it the Higher Self. At this moment we feel ourselves a little even outside the body, in the Universe, simultaneously in the past, present and future. And in this state we truly love ourselves, truly love God, and truly love others. And only then, by connecting with our inner light, we can try to help him who needs our help, who suffers, we can try to help him, not just removing the cause of his consequences, but we can try to awaken his inner light, bring him into a state of contact with his Higher Self so that his Higher Self would answer him all the questions: why did he come to this state, what does it give to him, how to get out of it. No one can help a person better than himself. This is exactly what Alexander was talking about.
Maxim: I want to add. Sometimes, when there are situations in our life, even without an opportunity at the moment to communicate with the Higher Self, we can ask the right question. Basically, we ask “why”, but instead we need to say “for what”. For growth and development. We can always imagine “why”, and we can always get the answer “for what”.
There are prophets, guides, angels on the levels 17-24.
1:08:43 About the saints.
Irina: Those whom we call angels are “saints” in Orthodoxy. Now they are called “saints” but before they had been called “light”. They are those who have a growing level of awareness of themselves as Light, thus they correspondingly have a high frequency of vibrations. These are the Spirits who realized themselves as Light. And it is not like they realized themselves as the Light and separated from everything, but they realized themselves… there is such an expression as “servant of God” that confuses many, but in fact, the word “slavery” was used than in other concepts and meanings than we are now taught the Soviet education system, which was built on the fact that the slave system was all bad. In fact, the word “slave” is a very good substitute for devotion. Service. Devotional service. So, the Light Spirit, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit who realized himself as the Light and in serving the Light, and the Light in all other Spirits who did not even realize that they are Light.
Maxim: That is, the expression “servant of God” should be replaced with “devoted to God”.
Irina: Yes, a devotee, and devotion cannot be without true Love, because it cannot be forced. Slavery can be duress, but loyalty is not. True bondage is true loving devotion.
Translated: https://youtu.be/4yedlvQPEmo
Leave a Reply