Participants:
· Irina Podzorova
· Natalia (represents the YouTube channel “This moment”)
00:00 Start of the video
00:03 How to avoid pride.
Irina: To avoid spiritual pride, physical pride, material pride… It’s not about ability and wealth, it’s about the right attitude to them. You can be proud of anything. Someone who can swim can be proud of it in front of someone who can’t. Those who have the opportunity to buy a Mercedes car can be proud of it in front of those who have a Zhiguli car. Can you swim?
Natalia: Yes.
Irina: Are you proud of that in front of someone who can’t?
Natalia: Mostly not, but sometimes I am.
Irina: He really couldn’t learn for some reason…
Natalia: No, I am not proud, of course.
Irina: You could have been in his shoes. The fact is that you can be proud of anything if there is a wrong attitude: if these gifts and these abilities, these material acquisitions are considered of your own.
And if you consider them not your own, but received temporarily as a gift of God, our Creator, Heavenly Father, and received not just for pleasure, but also for the benefit of others, then you will never be proud of anything. In the sense of material acquisitions. And in terms of abilities, you will understand that, first of all, every person is unique, everyone has true abilities that others do not have. There are no completely incompetent people, everyone is capable of something, he does something better than the others. For example, maybe you will be better at frying potatoes.
Natalia: It’s definitely not me.
Irina: Or bake a cake, or grow some flowers, or draw, or sing… But I can’t do that. I can do other things, and you can’t do that.
01:55 People are all equal, united in the Light of God.
We are all equal, we are all one in the divine Light. You and I are one, we are all one. You are my reflection, I am your reflection.
This is the individuality of each person. We are all equal, we are all one in the divine Light. You and I are one, we are all one. You are my reflection, I am your reflection.
Natalia: Despite what we do in life, we are all equal?
Irina: Before God? We are all equal before God, he loves everyone, even the last criminals, even the devil. All the same. Because all are his children. If your child is naughty, you will not love him less, will you?
Now about those who live in their sins, passions, vices. What about them? Well, it’s definitely not worth being proud of them that we don’t have such vices. You just need to understand that they are sick of these negative emotions. And as Christ said when he came to Earth, when sinners began to gather around him, who were drinking, living a vicious lifestyle, and the righteous and Pharisees said to him: «What are you doing, why do you communicate with them? We need to stay away.” He said: “It’s not the healthy one who needs a doctor, but the sick.” In fact, if people who are overwhelmed with negativity want to get rid of it, it should be in their own free will, they should not be forced. But they need our attention, care, and love even more than those who do not have these vices. This is a medicine for them to become this Light that is in us. You may not know, but you can feel with your heart.
03:38 Fear of losing love as a cause of pride and envy.
If someone is proud of something, it already shows that they have a fear of losing love. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have that pride. And I have no fear of losing this love because in any case, I know that I am a part of this Source and it is boundless. How can I lose It? I can’t be separated from this Source, because I am a part of it. How can a part be separated from the whole? No force can control it.
Natalia: So if a person shows pride in a certain place, it means that the person is afraid to lose it all?
Irina: Pride always contains fear. That is, it already contains arrogance, the emotion “I am better than you “. Why am I better than you? Because if I am on a par with you, I will be something worse than you and lose your love. This is how I feel. Isn’t it?
Natalia: Yes, it is connected with fears, for sure.
Irina: And envy is also a fear. All fears are connected with the desire to possess. Same. They cause that’s all. Fear, according to the true world of the Apostle… There is such an Apostle, in my opinion, John The Theologian (he wrote part of the New Testament, gospel 2, three of his Epistles, and the Apocalypse, which we are reading now). And now in one of the Epistles of John the Theologian, there is a word that fears torment, that is suffering. The one who fears is imperfect in love.
The one who fears has not been perfected in love.
John the Theologian
Natalia: Imperfect in love…
Irina: Yes, this is actually the New Testament, and these words were written 2000 years ago. If you haven’t read it, you can read the Epistle of John the Theologian. It says everything for our day: that God is Love, that he who says that he loves God but hates his brother is not in the Light. Just kidding himself and others.
Is it true that these are all clear truths?
Natalia: Of course, when you repeat them when they are pouring out of your mouth now, my heart opens like this and it seems to me that it is so easy to live like this. Remembering this every second of being, you need to follow yourself.
Irina: What drives us away from these thoughts, what makes us forget them? What are our emotions and feelings?
06:30 Is it possible to do everyday things, thinking about the spiritual?
Some people say that everyday affairs distract them from spiritual ones. But you can do everyday things with thoughts about the spiritual?
Natalia: Of Course, yes.
Irina: Do you think you can wash dishes and think about God?
Natalia: Easily.
Irina: And even that you are like a conductor of Light. Right now you are the conductor of Light in this place, and you are here purifying this world, part of this world that is in these atoms and molecules.
But it happens that the work is physically difficult, in the heat, for example, you plant plants, dig. But it depends on how you will relate to this work: if you treat this as some kind of duty that you don’t want to perform, and you, for example, made, then it will cause a negative; if you imagine some ultimate goal and dedicate it to God, it will be easy for God to do.
If you work, if you work for some man, caring for patients, do it for him, as for Christ. It will be so easy for you to do this.
Interesting… I notice that many people do not like Orthodoxy and turn away from it, but in fact, there are many such truths. I understand that they are not carried out by many, but this is, precisely, because many of them do not read the legacy that is there.
08:11 How to love yourself? A self-deprecation is a form of pride.
Natalia: But you know, some people say that it is the most difficult to love yourself. Here I just hear even in our audience: “I can’t love myself.”
Irina: Everyone understands this differently. What does it mean to love yourself?
Natalia: They say “love yourself first, then you will love the whole world”.
Irina: Love yourself… You’re my darling…(addresses to herself; pats herself on her head)
Natalia: And here’s the question, yes. What does it mean to love yourself?
Irina: This means recognizing your own perfection as well as that of others. Don’t count yourself in the last place. There is a lack of pride and arrogance, and there is the opposite – self-deprecation, despondency, self-criticism, excessive self-criticism when it no longer goes for self-improvement but goes for incomprehensible sadness.
This is the opposite when you do not consider yourself above everyone, but bow down to everyone, try to serve everyone. In fact, this is also a form of pride. But I’m still not like everyone else, I’m not higher, but lower. Let them give me the same pain in the form of pity. It’s the same fear.
Natalia: Victim.
Irina: And you should know that you are not higher or lower, but equal. You are perfection, you are divine perfection. You are the Light. What you have is Light.
You have the right if you are already close to social norms, to make any choice that you want to make. Who to live with, what to read — you have the right to choose.
But I am also your equal. And I, too, am the Light, and I, too, am perfection. God loves me as much as he loves you. And I also have the right to my beliefs, to my life, to what I want to do. Just like you.
We live with equal rights, but we all have different opportunities. That’s right, we have some. That’s what self-love is about. That is, to respect yourself as a person, as well as the person of another person, your rights.
And if you see that these rights are violated by another person, even for his own sake, do not let him do it. But not with rudeness, but with love again. That is, do not let yourself be humiliated, do not allow be pressed and offended. Don’t be rude and say, “Leave me alone, everyone.” And don’t swear at him. It’s just to make it clear that, after all, I also have a right to my opinion, to my life. And it’s in a soft way, at least try to do so.
Of course, a lot still depends on education, on the person’s emotionality. Well, for example, there are two people — a husband and a wife. The husband, for example, does not like that the wife eats something unhealthy. And the wife is happy with everything. So she shouldn’t go along with him if she doesn’t want to. This will be self-dislike. But if she responds rudely to her husband, it will already be a dislike for him. We need to find a middle ground. How do I do this? Well, Yes, you don’t eat that, it hurts you, something else, right?
“Thank you, my dear, for your advice and your love, but I am a free person and I choose what I eat. You have the right to eat what you like, don’t you?”
“Yes, I have.”
“And so I have the same right, I am as free as you are.”
He can say that he is worried about you so that you will not be offended, he can say it gently. “Thank you, of course, for your concern, for your care, but this is my choice.”
“It might be bad for your health.”
“Yes, it can harm my health. But this is my lesson, which I will take myself. And thank you for your love.
Well, so it is in everything. If someone doesn’t like something, you don’t have to meet someone’s standards. But neither does the other person has to meet your standards. This is the main thing to remember.”
Natalia: And we are all different.
Irina: Yes.
Natalya: So often we forget…
12:56 Patience with yourself and others is the main sign of love.
Irina: Because I don’t have enough patience. And patience is the main sign of love. Both to myself and to others.
Natalia: Well, you know, the word «patience» is associated with some kind of torment. To endure is to suffer. Is there a twist to that word?
Irina: I still have the patience to do something. For example, you don’t want to, but you should. You don’t want to get up for school, but you have to go along this road, trudge. Then another in the classroom to sit. You have to put up with it. If you don’t put up with it, you won’t learn. Do you understand what’s going on?
Natalia: If you suffer for a long time, something will happen.
Irina: Again, if you treat this as a torment, you will experience this torment. If you treat it as a necessity, though difficult experience, yes, but it is necessary for your development, you will not experience these sufferings to such an extent.
Because even physical pain is felt more when you are afraid of it. You are afraid of these torments when you deny the pain. And when you’ve accepted it, it’s even easier for you to experience it. Do you understand?
Natalia: Yes.
Irina: So why do you need patience for love? Because, indeed, you were right to say that we are all so different and that it is difficult to adapt to each other. You can’t do this without patience. Otherwise, we’ll all be swearing at each other instead of loving each other. Do you know that?
Natalia: In the ideal case, yes.
Irina: But the most important is that you all want to be accepted by people with all your characteristics, to be accepted without scandals, not to shake your nerves, not to remake you. That’s what you want. Other people want the same thing.
Translation: https://youtu.be/q9mGzWKaZtg
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